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#171702 - 08/01/05 04:39 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: glad2bhere]
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4065
Loc: Limbo
You have NOT answered the question. You are side stepping. I never said there wasn't an issue of people looking for or offering information that shouldn't be posted here but it is FAR from out of control. You would like others to believe that we as moderators are simply turning a blind eye to it and doing nothing. This isn't the case as i have shown with the threads above. You want everyone to believe that YOU are here to be our savior by pointing out a "deficit" that is only a large issue in YOUR eyes. The staff and members alike go to great lengths to keep such information from being put out. We HAVE taken responsibility for the content of this forum and you are not the first person to see this issue. The reason you got blown off is because you aren't bringing anything to light. Additionally you never "challenged" me in any regard, as it is obvious you are lacking the understanding of what is going on, proven by the quotes you made.

The only characterizations i have made of you are in regards to your behavior. Yes i take exception to your responses and the way you interact with other members because it's against forum policy and it's uncalled for but has had nothing to do with your "challenge" of me or your feeble personal attacks. You can hide behind your little façade and claim you are acting in the best interest of the members but the fact is you feel you are better than them and have no problem with trying to belittle them for your own amusement. Your response to iamdadude had NOTHING to do with leaking info to possible terrorist or giving dangerous information to new practitioners. It was done because you are a rude individual, nothing more.

The bottom line is there will always be people on an open forum who are looking for the easy way, the most deadly art/moves, the easiest KO, how to win a school fight and yes sentry elimination. Nothing you or i do will change that. What the staff here and the majority of the members are doing is trying to educate these individuals and point them in a direction where they can learn in the proper environment. You are not the first person to see this issue and your not going to be the last. So stop waiving your banner and claiming to hold the Holy Grail, you’re way behind the power curve on this one. You really need to expand the bubble of your reality and see the things you accuse others of are the same things you are guilty of. The fact that you failed to address any specific points i made shows you are questioning yourself.
Enjoy life while you can, you never know when things will change.

#171703 - 08/01/05 04:54 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: glad2bhere]
Kintama Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts

You keep characterizing me in a number of disparaging ways but you still have not said I was wrong--- only that you take exception to "how" I communicated.

Lie. Joel AND Lane both told you you were wrong in the beginning of the thread. and Lane gave you advice: "Plain and simple, if you don't agree with a topic report it."
If everyone follows that advice, then the original concern you brought up on topic is addressed. can't you see that?

I want you to answer a few question add to my 'case study' of you:
1. Do you realize someone owns this website? a 'website' and all of it's contents basically comes down to a hard-drive which is on a server somewhere.
A. It's not yours.
B. It not mine or the moderators.
C. we are guests. and this site is charity to fellow Art enthusiasts.

2. Do you appreciate (as ironically, your username suggests) being able to log on and read/contribute/etc for free without once ever being asked your credit card?

3. Being a guest, have you read and understand the forum rules? There is a chain of command for complaints - you have a problem with moderators? talk to Mr V. you have a problem with Mr V.? e-mail Mr Caile. if you have a problem with Mr Caile then you are SOL and need to find another hobby.

I am very close to making a formal complaint about you Bruce. stop flamming moderators NOW or have your ip banned. - your choice. (don't think I can't get it done).

#171704 - 08/01/05 04:58 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: glad2bhere]
MattJ Offline
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Registered: 11/25/04
Posts: 15634
Loc: York PA. USA
Oy....I feel soiled for continuing this, but...

Quote by G2BH -


You keep characterizing me in a number of disparaging ways but you still have not said I was wrong--- only that you take exception to "how" I communicated.

Talk about spinning! Your interpretation is somewhat off-base. I don't think any of the mods disagree with the premise of resposible management of info. That is not an issue. You seem to be disagreeing about what level of management is necessary, and you appear to be alone in your POV. Your so-called "tests" are simply insulting and contradictory, as Laf pointed out.

And the issue of communication is also valid - that is our job as mods to maintain an atmosphere that is not full of pointless aggression, insults, slander, etc - even if the person feels they are doing us some kind of service.


The fact that you have HAD to close threads tells me that you are aware of the problem.

Well now, which is it? If we are already aware of the problem, why do you feel that you must be haranguing us about how we are not aware of it? Seems quite contradictory to me.
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

#171705 - 08/01/05 05:01 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: MattJ]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6665
Loc: Amherst, MA
Fine. Since there is no moderator for this forum, I will report it. I find it offensive that 'argueing over argueing' could possibly go on for 6 pages.

Like the kids say...get a room.

#171706 - 08/03/05 09:40 AM Re: Net responsibility [Re: harlan]
MAGr Offline

Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
This thread has gone off topic.
Lets deal with the question od censorship and not personal agendas and attacks.

The internet has opened the information floodgates. There is nothing you can do or SHOULD do to stop it. The internet is an INVALUABLE resource for anyone and EVERYONE, yes including terrorists.

The trafficing of terrorists is controlled by the intelligence services which (OMG) scan the net also for sources. Just because terrorists might buy swiss army knives that does not mean that all the knife shops should be closed.

Just because they may find one post usefull for their end does not mean we should censor the forum. Do you see what I am saying? Just because they may use a really fast car to get away from the police does not mean that there shouldnt be any ferraris or advanced driving courses.

It is unfortunate that people use information and resources for evil intent but the way to stop it is not to ban the subject. This is not only in reference to the forus or even to the internet. IT IS A FACT OF LIFE! BAD PEOPLE WILL USE TOOLS FOR THEIR EVIL INTENT! The way to stop that is not to start censoring and banning things left right and centre it is about educating people and dealing with the sources like the recruiters not the bloody forums! Gimme a break.

Your opinion on this matter is hardly thought out properly and almost laughable. I m sorry if you have to revise your opinion because you are mistaken (I realise people dont like to change their opinion even in light of a better arguement).

A tire iron is dangerous if used with criminal intent. Maybe we should reinvent the wheel

Edit: Also if you want to campaign about censorship on the net then I suggest you get your priorities straight. I doubt that this forum is a breeding ground for potential terrorists and mass murderes, more so than other sites/forums in any case. Why dont you go campaign for those rather than berating us with your preachings.
And do you really think that someone who wanted to learn how to use a weapon for terrorism would actually come to receive training in a forum? HAHAHA. In case you havent heard, some of the 9/11 attackers were trained by the CIA.

Anyway, the reason we advise people to find proper instruction in a lot of the cases is that so they dont hurt themselves by learning from some dvd. Again, I doubt that if I described ANY technique that the person could actually use it. Most of the threads (questions and responses) are by people who have already learned their techniques but want to discuss it with other people who also know of the techniques.

Answer this question, if an outsider comes to this forum and reads all the posts that have ever been posted, do you think that they would be a better fighter? If yes then you are WRONG. If no then your point is moot.
"in the biu gee form of wing chun the arching elbow is on of the techniques that is the most devastating of the wing chun arsenal, it archs from the top in an arching motion and lands as a spike cuttting across the face" The above technique can seriously danage someone, but I would like to see you use it and it working with the information given above.
Quest:can the butterfly sword form be applied with kitchen knives?
Answ: Yesm, you can use a kitchen knife as a tonfa and then wing it with your thumb to ustilise cutting motions.

The above was an actual question and an actual answer. How can me telling him that you can use a knife as tonfa give someone who doesnt know the butterfly knives any information on how to effectively use a kitchen knife? Can you go away now and apply what I advised above? Would it make any difference in the real world, since a knife that is a foot long is illegal anyway?

Edited by MAGr (08/03/05 10:06 AM)

#171707 - 08/03/05 10:25 AM Re: Net responsibility [Re: MAGr]
glad2bhere Offline

Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 663
Loc: Lindenhurst, Illinois USA
I teach Hapkido.

When I note a situation where there is potential for that skill set to be abused I take responsibility for what I teach and modify my behavior in deference to a good outcome.

By comparison, this Net is a resource or a clearinghouse for information.

When I note a situation where there is potential for that information to be abused I anticipate that moderators will take responsibility for what is communicated and modify the resource in deference to a good outcome.

I believed this when this thread started. I still believe this now. Furthermore I don't believe that moderators have been on the job in this area or I would not have written the original post. I still believe that they are not on the job (at least not entirely) and that the larger portion of this thread is nothing more that misdirection so as not to discuss the original point. I find this LAST point particularly disturbing as it seems to take very little for moderators to close a thread which THEY believe has strayed from the original theme.

You are certainly free to continue this thread for whatever reason you choose to. In all honesty I am just simply no longer interested in communicating with you about this issue.

As with Lane, I encourage you to "have a nice life".

#171708 - 08/03/05 12:03 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: glad2bhere]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
There is no moderator for this forum, genius, that is why it has not been closed.


I don't believe that moderators have been on the job in this area

I deleted a thread yesterday that was basically a (poorly written) how-to on iron palm training. There have been other threads of the same ilk deleted. Wonder why you haven't seen them? BECAUSE THEY WERE DELETED BEFORE ANYBODY READ OR REPLIED TO THEM.


I still believe that they are not on the job (at least not entirely)

That's because what you think is a job that should be done is not a part of our job description, therefore it is invalid to say we are not doing our job.
We should all take ourselves seriously...and then crumple that image up and toss it out the window.

#171709 - 08/03/05 01:04 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: glad2bhere]
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4065
Loc: Limbo

You are certainly free to continue this thread for whatever reason you choose to. In all honesty I am just simply no longer interested in communicating with you about this issue.

Could this be because we are now addressing your "issue" and showing proof to back our position you no longer have any ground to stand on? You have yet to site any instances that could prove you right. I on the other hand have shown you just a handful of threads where the moderators here have been doing exactly what you suggest we are not.

The simply truth of the matter is you wouldn't agree with any level of involvement by the moderators and would go out of your way to find fault no matter what we do. You call for us to impose stiffer "censorship" but you stomp your feet and act like a child when one corrects you. You insist we must take responsibility for the posts here but insist the moderators here don't have the right to censor you. You "demand" that moderators change the way they deal with you? Who are you?

Don't bow out now. You wanted to discuss the manner in which this forum is run and the level of involvement from the staff then lets discuss it. Don't run off when you are being proven wrong.

Yes here is another question, one that was asked a while ago. If you have such a low opinion of this forum and the members here why are you still here?
Enjoy life while you can, you never know when things will change.

#171710 - 08/03/05 06:11 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: laf7773]
glad2bhere Offline

Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 663
Loc: Lindenhurst, Illinois USA
No Thanks, Lane. I have had quite enough of the discussion and quite enough of you. Your "whats a matter--- you don't want to talk about this?" ploy was predictable. You have not talked about the issue you just cited (and my original theme) for five pages and now you make like its what you wanted to talk about all the way along? Is that what you would tell Caile? ("Gee, Mr. Caile, I was really trying to give his concerns a fair hearing but he just all-of-sudden went off in a huff. Honest; I really, really tried!!")

Only nice thing I can say about an exchange with someone like you is that I don't have to do it again.

#171711 - 08/03/05 10:15 PM Re: Net responsibility [Re: glad2bhere]
RangerG Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 04/18/05
Posts: 1026
Loc: Chester County, Pennsylvania
Being a Moderator is much like being a Quality Assurance Inspector. No matter how you handle a problem, somone is going to be unhappy with the answer they get. We volunteer for the job, giving up personal time in an attempt to keep threads within the site guidelines and to promote the MA's.

In the end, I would submit that if you don't like the content here, and are unhappy with how the site is moderated, I would invite you to move on to a MA site that meets your strict expectations. This 6 page dialoge is much like bashing one's head against a brick wall for all involved, and as such is not productive nor changing anyones mind.

Best wishes in your future endevors.
"If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough."

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