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#170048 - 07/22/05 02:54 PM Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting?
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Which Kung-fu systems are known for producing good fighters? Tai-Chi use to be known as a formible system, Imperial Guards/Body Guards at one time studied it. Its done for health mostly now pending style.

Choy-Li-fut was developed to bring forth good fighters quickly so was Wing Chun or Tsing and also Praying Mantis was devised to fight. Feeding Crane systems is aggressive fighting style. Hungar Tiger Crane and Hsing-I what other styles are known for producing fighters.

The New kickboxing style Shou-soua seems forminable and JKD though not a style.

I really haven't seen any Gung-fu or Kung-fu style that is not potent, but what are the systems known for producing fighters? I know Kung-fu stresses a total package but still I want to know your oppinoion.


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#170049 - 07/24/05 07:17 PM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: Neko456]
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Well, while Taiji might be used mostly in the US as a health system, I have always regarded it a fighting method. The thing about Taiji, is it can be applied to all styles of gong fu, or any other fighting method, especially wrestling. The sensitivity and rooting you develop from Taiji is enough to overcome almost anything (and awareness). If you learn how to fully use it as a fighting system, then yes, it is very formidable. For example, Chen has alot more strikes, punches, kicks, and locks than most other styles. Although Rare, XingYi and Bagua, when combined are very formidable internal styles. They also compliment any external styles you might be doing

Choy Li Fut, Hung Gar are pretty good Gong Fu styles. Wing Tsun is too, but the problem comes in the teaching methods, and the dependancy on structure and mechanical accuracy as opposed to being natural. White Crane is pretty formidable, definitely a bit more internal than most others.
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#170050 - 07/26/05 02:59 PM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: BaguaMonk]
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I think that when you've absorbed the principles in tai chi of rooting, alignment, internal connection, breath and mind control, the internal system and power sourcing, whatever you do will work!
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#170051 - 07/26/05 03:39 PM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: Bossman]
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This is true.
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#170052 - 07/27/05 01:03 PM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: BaguaMonk]
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#170053 - 07/29/05 06:13 AM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: Ajacks]
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ngo cho kun kungfu dominated fuchien province. characteristically powerful, close-quarters, simple

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#170054 - 07/31/05 05:34 PM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: BaguaMonk]
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Wing Tsun is too, but the problem comes in the teaching methods, and the dependancy on structure and mechanical accuracy as opposed to being natural.




What do you mean by "natural". The way you control your body is a product of your upbringing & experience...just look at how walking styles have changed over the last 100 years, or even how athletes & boxers move "naturally" differently now.

The whole point of WC is that you adhere to the concepts of the system by performing biomechanically accurate, efficient movement. I don't see how this isn't natural, it is based around the "natural" anatomy of the human body and exploiting this for combat. You re-condition yourself to "naturally" (or automatically) fight in a biomechanically direct, economic, structurally sound manner - thus developing speed, power, efficiency, and minimising risk of injury.

What you claim is a problem is the fundamental strength of the WC system, and something that modern boxing and several other fighting arts also heavily focus on - mechanical & structural excellence.

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#170055 - 08/08/05 09:55 AM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: Neko456]
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well, i would say jeet kuen do, of course to be good at jkd you should have at least the basic's of one or two or three different martial arts. i would say wing chun is more about real fighting but still lacks something. that's why i practice wing chun and boxing as one style. i consider myself a jeet kuen do fighter and my moves come from wing chun and boxing so i think fighting like this can be very effective in real life fighting. i'm not after pretty moves or complex tricks, i'm into fast, simple technics.

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#170056 - 08/08/05 10:34 AM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: etaks86]
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Yes but I wouldn't classify JKD as a Classical Kung-fu system because it has no Way, but endorses it all ways. I mean it really doesn't have to be Kung-fu to be JKD it can be Kali or like you said western boxing, it can be shoot wrestling any thing can start the base of your JDK.

I know that doesn't make you part of its Core or Concept group. So....

Yeah you R right, it one of them but, its not one of them.
Your Wing Chun base would be one. IMO.
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#170057 - 08/09/05 01:43 AM Re: Which Kung-fu systems are known for fighting? [Re: Neko456]
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yeah i know.

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