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#169669 - 06/27/07 01:06 AM Re: Double Broadswords [Re: Chen Zen]
h2z Offline
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I think the only prupose for the cloth is the same as the tassel on the jian...distraction. if you learn how to wield it right you will learn to avoid the cloth.

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#169670 - 07/02/07 05:53 AM Re: Double Broadswords [Re: h2z]
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Reasons why there is cloth on the handle for dao.

1. To wipe blood from the hand during battle and stop your hand from slipping.

2. Wrapping the cloth in your hand before you handle your dao stops the weapon from flying out of your hand. Just imagine you are in battle, you are on horseback, etc. you are fighting maybe for hours -- blood and sweat are slippery, our grip becomes weak and that there is constant impact on your weapon/handling ... or you just get clumsy when exhausted.

3. With the dao 'flag' in our hand, my teacher told me there was a method of thrusting with the dao and letting the handle go (but still having a grip on the cloth), thus allowing for a few extra inches to an attack -- and grabbing the handle afterward. Don't have the balls to try this one yet

Remember that most sword fights would only last a matter of a few moves and that the dao is not really 'swung' around in combat so the flag wouldn't really come into play as a method of distraction. However, flags and tassels are used as part of showmanship in contemporary wushu today.

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#169671 - 07/02/07 08:19 PM Re: Double Broadswords [Re: northstar]
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Quote:

With the dao 'flag' in our hand, my teacher told me there was a method of thrusting with the dao and letting the handle go (but still having a grip on the cloth), thus allowing for a few extra inches to an attack -- and grabbing the handle afterward. Don't have the balls to try this one yet


Wow, that's a massively illegal move in fencing (specifically in the rules, automatic red card. Black card if they think you did it with intent to injure). I've seen people attempt to grab the pommel while thrusting forward (also illegal), but going all the way to sword-chuck mode? That's something I haven't heard of. Quite frankly, it sounds like a myth. Have you seen your instructor doing it? Can you get a video? (Not being suspicious anymore, I just want to see someone crazy enough to actually do it.).

Also, wouldn't a hankerchief be more appropriate for wiping blood than a tassel permanently attached to the grip? You would start blood flying everywhere when you began swinging again.

Wrapping around the hand... Now that, I can see. However, if that was the case, wouldn't leather be more appropriate?

Just some things which came to mind while reading.
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#169672 - 08/05/07 06:10 PM Re: Double Broadswords [Re: kenkaku]
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the cloth is not just for looks,when in battle for your life the cloth was used to break the eye control of your enemy,to hide the movement of your blade to try to hit your enemy thru the cloth dance,meaning as the the sword is swing at the enemy you then spin the handle making the cloth open in front of thier eyes then use the other sword to swing thru the cloth hoping they do not see it coming,but in show you use the cloth to help your swords to look like they are dancing with you when performing your martial arts forms

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#169673 - 08/05/07 06:17 PM Re: Double Broadswords [Re: kenkaku]
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the cloth is not just for looks,when in battle for your life the cloth was used to break the eye control of your enemy,to hide the movement of your blade to try to hit your enemy thru the cloth dance,meaning as the the sword is swing at the enemy you then spin the handle making the cloth open in front of thier eyes then use the other sword to swing thru the cloth hoping they do not see it coming,but in show you use the cloth to help your swords to look like they are dancing with you when performing your martial arts forms

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