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#169327 - 10/11/06 12:00 AM Re: How many real fights? [Re: Stormdragon]
clmibb Offline

Registered: 08/31/06
Posts: 1035
Loc: South Texas, US
I've been been in two altercations. One was with my older sister and one was a bar back at a local club. My older sister was screaming at me and I tried to go to my room and lock the door. She burst through the door before I had a chance to close it all the way. She continued to yell and scream (she had a violent temper) and she started to threaten me. I told her several times to get out and she wouldn't. She came toward me and I gave one quick front kick to her knee and she left the room crying telling me she was going to tell on me. My parents told me good job and no other mention of it was ever brought up. Now the bar back...It was about 6 years ago and a friend of mine and i were out one Saturday night and the bar back bought us a beer and told the waitress that her was buying for the rest of the night. We told her that we were married and that we didn't want him buying us any drinks. He came over to us and said that he didn't think that two pretty ladies should have to buy their own drinks. We told him thank you but we are married and we can buy our own drinks. We moved sections hoping he wouldn't know where we were. I went to get a napkin at the bar and I saw him coming toward me. I felt a hand graze my butt. I blew it off the first time thinking that it was crowded, maybe just maybe it was an accident. The second time I went to throw a bottle away and I saw him again coming toward me. This time the crowd was MUCH thinner and he could have avoided me. I felt a slap and a grab. I trapped his hand and put him in an elbow lock (don't know the technical name). I escorted to the bouncers and he was fired on the spot. I talked to the manager to get my side of the story and he asked if I wanted a job.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first."- Ronald Reagan

#169328 - 10/13/06 12:40 PM Re: How many real fights? [Re: clmibb]
5353 Offline

Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 109
Loc: yongstown
i have been in many real fights . don't know the number but i grew up with 3 older brothers who always kicked the [censored] out of me. i grew up in a rough area and did alot of standing up for myself ( learned alot of that from my bro's). one fightin high school , lost a thumb nail via bite but procceeded to ko him.i'm 34 and have been in one fight since high school. iwas jumped in a bar bathroom by a guy i have never saw before and had no clue why he jumped me but i'm sure he regreted it! i know now that the violence i can bring on someone should only be use as a last resort ie self defense
" not all who wonder are lost "

#169329 - 10/18/06 02:30 PM Re: How many real fights? [Re: 5353]
mark Offline
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Registered: 03/04/03
Posts: 1284
Loc: uk
Never have understood exactly what a “fight” is, probably not a single punch, at least 2 perhaps? Is a shoving match a fight? Is giving someone the “can can” a fight?

Anyway, If you count any real world violent encounter as a “fight” I have been in literally 100s, all but a very few work related, Police , bouncer etc.

Never the same situation twice, never really enjoyed taking a beating much myself, tends to hurts and I often find that bits of me don’t work properly afterwards or even ever again. Had some real kicking’s , waking up in hospital etc….
Not much fun looking down at some one that you have hurt either, the sense of sheer terror that you think you have killed him is the stuff of nightmares, also tends to gain the interest of large groups of Police officers.

Such a strange paradox, training in the MA and NOT enjoying real violence, which of course is as it should be, just weird all those years we train in the hope we will never actually use our skills………. Well I don’t actually have any skills anymore, so im ok.

My new training motto:- Violente signum mentus lassus est



#169330 - 10/25/06 07:56 AM Re: How many real fights? [Re: Intrepidinv1]
pacifist Offline

Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 7
I've sort of been in two fights. Someone pushed me over and then started kicking me. I blocked his kicks but didn't have chance to get up. It was during a game of football and some other kids pulled him off.

Later this big guy (6"3) kicked me in the nose and punched me in the eye so i couldn't see anything.

Both of these were unprovoked attacks were i was jumped.

#169331 - 10/27/06 08:22 PM Re: How many real fights? [Re: pacifist]
Kulma Offline

Registered: 10/27/06
Posts: 13
I got my butkicked few times when I was a kid. After 15 or so I have never been in a fight other than work related. And even then I don´t know if they are realy fights, more like brawls. After all I´m usualy with a mate or mates and I have the law and equipment on my side.
I´ve been offered fights out side of my work too but I gues I don´t have ego problems so I´ve allways got out of those situations with out fysical contact.
Just happy to be here.

#169332 - 10/28/06 10:46 PM Re: How many real fights? [Re: Kulma]
Mishael Offline

Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 33
Cord- Why do you say that. I am 54 years old. I started studying the martial arts in 1966 and have practice continually until 5 years ago when I broke my back and was in a wheel chair for three years. I have had alot of bar fights and street fights. The highest belt I ever earned was a brown belt because every year or two I would move and study another style. My first introduction to the martial arts were the Oyama books. My first instructor was John Korab who was friends with Joe Lewis in the marines; so, I got to meet Mr Lewis when I was about sixteen and learned how to punch from him. I studied Shotokan from Mr Brooks and I studied at George Dillman's school with my two sons for about a year and a half. I am currently practicing krav maga and havanah because I am getting to old and have gotten too fat while in the wheelchair to do high kicks. Thirty or forty fights in forty years isn't that many when you live in rough areas and go to bars. Most of the fights I have been in I hurt the people seriously. I never started a fight and I backed down from one. That was with a relative who was drunk and I didn't want to injure him. He knew martial arts and was younger and I would have had to injure him to win; so, I told him I was too old and fat to fight and being disabled it wouldn't be much of a victory for him. And, his ego was satisfied. I wasn't bragging; I just answered the question truthfully.

#169333 - 10/28/06 11:36 PM Re: How many real fights? [Re: Mishael]
Mishael Offline

Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 33
Obviously, I didn't name all the instructors I have had; however, I realized that I didn't mention Captain Chey of the South Korean Army. He was my instructor in Hue/Phu Bai Vietnam. I had many other instructors some great some not so great. I have beaten black belts in fights. I was afraid to stop beating them because they were much more skilled then I was but couldn't defend against head to the wall. I was always thankful the next day that nobody was killed. I always tried to talk my way out of the fights, but once they made it clear that they weren't going to let me leave without a fight I would attack and keep attacking until they were incapacitated. Then I would leave. Also, three of the fights were where I involved myself in defending a domestic battery situation and they always turned out bad.The law views self defense very narrowly and most of us go beyond the bounds of self defense when forced to fight.

#169334 - 10/29/06 05:54 AM Re: How many real fights? [Re: Mishael]
Cord Offline

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.

Cord- Why do you say that.....



I stopped counting at twenty five. How many have I lost? One. I was drunk and arguing with a guy. The bouncer came up from my side, tapped me on the shoulder and when I turned, he sucker punched me and followed with a left cross and a right upcut. I stumbled backwards and was seeing triple. So, I went into a movie style kung fu stance trying to scare him long enough to focus. He hesitated for a second or two and then grapped a chair and started swinging it at me. I eventually made him drop the chair. And, he reached behind himself. I thought he was going for a knife; so, I broke a bottle, but there was nothing sticking out and I had a hand full of broken glass. I broke another bottle and realize he was across the room holding a pistol. A bunch of girls surrounded me and I pretended that they were pushing me out the door as I back pedaled. Once outside, I realized I left my coat inside. I opened the door to go back in and he rushed me. We both threw rights and connected. His knocked me out the door and I was told the next day that he stumbled back and then locked the door till the police got there. The police got statements from everyone and the bouncer continued to yell that he wanted me arested. I discovered by calling him a certain name he would rush at me and the cops would grab him and shove him into the wall. I called him the name about five times with the same results. The cop told him he could arrest us both and I would be out the next day for disturbing the peace and he would be out in a couple of years for attemped murder and assault. So, we both went home instead.

So a guy pulls a gun on you, then you go back inside (!?) to find he has very conveniently put the gun away, not to be drawn again when you get back into it. the police arrive, and despite a person drawing a firearm in a public place and aiming it at a group of women and one guy (all of which had witnesses), the police let him go with a stiff warning!? you yourself do not press charges for someone aiming to shoot you?!

If you are gonna tell tall stories, at least think them through and try and make them believable.


Thirty or forty fights in forty years isn't that many

I thought you stopped counting at 25? whats next, any advance on 40- 60 with 1 'loss' would sound even more impressive.

I. dont. Believe. You. Its up to you if disbelief of a stranger upsets you or not, its not really my aim, but if you put cr4p into a public area, then the public exposed can call it how they see it.

Thats 'why i say that'

Don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya'

#169335 - 10/29/06 03:58 PM Re: How many real fights? [Re: Cord]
Mishael Offline

Registered: 10/05/06
Posts: 33
I was fall down drunk the night that happened. The bouncer was also a cop from the next town over (population under 5000). Yes, it was stupid for me to go back in to the bar but I was drunk. Although I lived in several different states, it just so happened that the incident took place here in PA at the VFW. I did stop counting at 25 but I didn't say I only had twenty five fights. People who know me know that if I say something happened, it happened. I can't convince you that it happened, but I can't convince you that my mother had brown eyes either; nor, does it matter to me if you believe me or not. I sky dived, have a pilot license, and belong to Mensa. I was on the dean's list at Penn State for three years. I served in the military for four years. I did a tour in Hue/Phu Bai Vietnam. But, you probably think all that are lies too. If you mattered to me, it would matter that you don't believe me; but, you don't; so, it doesn't.

#169336 - 10/29/06 04:06 PM Re: How many real fights? [Re: Mishael]
Cord Offline

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
Interesting. Police officers in the UK are not allowed to take second jobs without special permission, and even then, never in another line of security work.

You are a member of Mensa, yet run blind drunk into a bar containing a guy with a gun who wants to shoot you. I guess membership criteria is dropping

If a cop has enough to prosecute for attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon, the offender is never given 'a choice' on if he wants to be prosecuted or not.

like you say, I dont matter to you, but your story has more holes in it than swiss cheese in firing range.

Don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya'

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