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#168832 - 07/25/05 02:52 AM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: eyrie]
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If this young girl dosen't deserve to have a black belt she shouldn't have a black belt. It dosen't matter how long she has been training if her skill level is not at black belt level she should not be promoted. How do you tell if her skill is at black belt level. You COMPARE her to other black belts. If you compare her to her self she is the greatest martial artest ever. If you compare her to the rest of the yudansha, she can't cut it. If you promote someone who can't cut it you risk that person being injuried in a situation she may have avoided if she had an acurate estimate of her skills. Today some people don't want to keep score at sporting events because the losing team's feelings might get hurt. That attutide applied to martial arts can result in much more than feelings getting hurt.

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#168833 - 07/25/05 03:42 AM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: samurai117]
eyrie Offline
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Well, maybe you should tell her sensei that they shouldn't have graded her then.

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#168834 - 07/25/05 05:10 AM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: eyrie]
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Maybe it should just be common sense

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#168835 - 07/25/05 07:49 AM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: samurai117]
eyrie Offline
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....which unfortunately is not so common.

But then again, by whose standards (of common sense) are you making this comparison? This has been done to death in various other threads on other forums.

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#168836 - 07/25/05 01:24 PM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: eyrie]
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Does belt really matter?



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#168837 - 07/25/05 03:30 PM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: RedRaven]
Canyon Offline
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Quote:

Does belt really matter?




Well, in a sense it definitely does. It defines you as having some level of mastery and understanding of what you are doing. I think that's why it's so troublesome to see 6-year old black belts. Now of course that level is different for different people.

In this particular case, if the student I mentioned had been allowed to train in the adult class I'm sure her technique would be at a much higher level. But it's not. And for a bit of an an update, she is now working a lot with the other blackbelts trying to get her up to speed. However, it also seems like the belt has gone to her head. She refuses to help clean up after class and has started getting upset when she can't do a technique properly and blames the uke for not having good ukemi (which may or may not be the case).

Anyway, I've just stopped getting anywhere near her so I don't have to train with her.

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#168838 - 07/25/05 04:30 PM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: samurai117]
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Quote:

If this young girl dosen't deserve to have a black belt she shouldn't have a black belt. It dosen't matter how long she has been training if her skill level is not at black belt level she should not be promoted. How do you tell if her skill is at black belt level. You COMPARE her to other black belts. If you compare her to her self she is the greatest martial artest ever. If you compare her to the rest of the yudansha, she can't cut it. If you promote someone who can't cut it you risk that person being injuried in a situation she may have avoided if she had an acurate estimate of her skills. Today some people don't want to keep score at sporting events because the losing team's feelings might get hurt. That attutide applied to martial arts can result in much more than feelings getting hurt.




Actually I have an expectation that a black belt in aikido is going to have a pretty good handle on the basics and is going to have enough of an understanding to work through problem areas. If I'm working with a black belt that can't do that, then in my opinion they don't deserve the rank, the fact that they might be better than other BB's doesn't justify their rank it calls the others into question. I wouldn't let quantity dilute skill.

I delayed my own nidan test because I wasn't where I thought I should be but I was afraid I still might pass. I didn't want the rank because I was as good as another nidan or better than a different shodan...

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#168839 - 07/25/05 09:24 PM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: Canyon]
eyrie Offline
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Ah... let's define "mastery". What level of "Mastery" and to whose standards? And in comparison to what or who?

I submit that no standard is valid except the standard you set for yourself (as Chris has) - i.e. "personal mastery". In which case, belt colors (or gradations of black) mean very little, in a worldview where you have only yourself to compare with.

As for belt colors to the supposedly undeserving, who are you to make that judgement? Are you suggesting that their sensei has lower standards? Or that you have higher standards? What makes your standard more valid? How do you make that determination?

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#168840 - 07/26/05 02:12 AM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: eyrie]
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I agree if you can't perform at the level your supposed to be at why are you at that level.

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#168841 - 07/26/05 05:45 AM Re: Validity of young yudansha [Re: katsuhayai05]
eyrie Offline
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And what level would that be? According to who? Are you saying you are better than her sensei to be saying that so-and-so should be at what level?

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