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#166754 - 07/12/05 07:14 PM Your Expierience Of Private Tuition...............
shoshinkan Offline
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Registered: 05/10/05
Posts: 2662
Loc: UK
please be nice......................

Im interested in peoples expierience of regular training on a one to one or very small group (3-4) basis with an instructor.

i have always really enjoyed training in a small group, although it has never been a consistent option for me, as its not really avalaible to me.

My feeling is that it is more specific, more personal. You can cover more, or less ground in greater depth than being in the line (of course line work has its place as well as does standard dojo practise).

Would be very interested in anyones karate expierience in this area, from an instructors or students view

#166755 - 07/12/05 07:31 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/04
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The class I went through was pretty private.It was always outside and was on invite only.There were never any fees and the students were always few.This has now been passed down to me,however I am not the head instructor.
I think the instruction is better in small groups.I remember when I was in basic training with alot more people and wishing we could break down to smaller groups for better understanding.
We continue to practice this way.Once a class begins we only take new students for the first couple of months.Everyone is taught the same thing at the same time and continue to stay the same rank throughout the class.It moves along very smoothly.Right now we have four students.One of whom is my wife.
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#166756 - 07/12/05 07:32 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: SANCHIN31]
shoshinkan Offline
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Loc: UK
sounds like a nice way to train !

#166757 - 07/12/05 08:21 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
MattJ Offline
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Registered: 11/25/04
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Loc: York PA. USA
Private lessons can be very beneficial. I was lucky enough to go to many private lessons with instructor, who was learning from one of the top guys in out style.

He showed details that made some techniques I never liked into moves that were now practical and usable. He also showed us to look more deeply into the underlying concepts of given techniques, instead of merely mirroring the move.

At our school, we always tried to break the class down into smaller groups (2-4 or so), and go around the room to check everybody out.

I am in favor of smaller groups for lessons.
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

#166758 - 07/13/05 01:15 AM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
Shidokai Offline

Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 162
Loc: Fukuoka, Japan
If I may jump in...

A lot of dojos in Japan are not commercial dojos, and are generally very small to begin with (cut your normal storefront dojo in half and you've got the idea). The most people I've ever seen at any of my karate dojos at one time was 12 people, with the average being closer to 5, though sometimes it's been as low as one.

Practice isn't always more personal because it's smaller, but it does always address areas your instructor feels you need work. Being able to work on these things with people always feels good, because you end up helping each other.

When working kata, we work as a group. When doing kumite, we break off in sections. The truth is is's not that much different from a regular class.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft. - Teddy Roosevelt

#166759 - 07/13/05 12:29 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
makiwaraman Offline

Registered: 04/26/05
Posts: 50
Loc: Guildford, Surrey,UK
I have been fortunate to be invited to private Sunday classes of two-four, At these I learnt alot more than normal and seemed to get the hang of techniques quicker, I also got the advantage that sensei could look closely at me and work more on what I needed. It would be interesting to me at least to know the average cost of private lessons per hour. regards maki
We are necessarily imperfect and therefore always in a state of growth.

#166760 - 07/13/05 01:15 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
BuDoc Offline
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Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 1067
Loc: USA and Abroad
My teacher and I frequently work together in remote locations. There is a lot of boredom on thes assignments and lots of time to train.

I would say that in the last 16 years 85% of my personal instruction has been private with just my teacher, and maybe 1or 2 others.

Definately a good way to learn.

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#166761 - 07/13/05 05:28 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: BuDoc]
shoshinkan Offline
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Thankyou all for your valued input, as you have proberly guessed im looking at this subject as a student and also as an instructor (in the future).

Its fair to say that im convinced personal/small class tuition is of the most benefit to students, i also think that standard dojo time has its place (mainly for drilling) but also the social and character building aspects of our arts. ie being a part of a larger group and the interaction that takes place in a traditional dojo.

#166762 - 07/13/05 08:12 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
kenposan Offline

Registered: 08/23/01
Posts: 633
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
when I was in class, I always preferred nights when fewer people showed up. the classes were more intimate and you could work on stuff that was harder to do with large classes.

I only teach small group now.
The angry man will defeat himself in battle, as well as in life. -Samurai maxim

#166763 - 07/13/05 08:58 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: kenposan]
Spin_Hook Offline

Registered: 07/07/05
Posts: 45
It really depends on what I'm working on. For forms I like small classes because of the obvious personalization factors...after all, an instructor can't watch 30 set of feet at the same time.

Line work is line work, and since I'm only thinking about my own technique at that point, I could really care whether 1 or 100 people were in the room since neither would bother me as long as I had space to move around in.

However, I find that people who want to be good fighters (as a rule...there are of course always exceptions) tend to be from larger dojos. People tend to have certain fighting styles, and if you only see one or two people fight ever I feel that you adapt to those one or two styles rather then developing comprehensive skills. For example, there are a lot of lower belts at my club right now...very few of them can head kick effectively. So I get up against better people at tournaments I sometimes forget to guard my noggin as much as I should.

Plus, there's nothing for training cardio like being able to fight a fresh opponent every two minutes.

In the end I suppose it's all about what you like.
Aim first to understand; then to be understood.

#166764 - 07/14/05 12:34 AM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
Diga Offline

Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 209
Loc: Hoodsport, Washington
I agree with the rest of these posts.
Small classes or training with 1 to 5 people at my home dojo counted for 30 years of Go ju style where we would work on whatever each person wanted until that person was satisfied. Sometimes we worked sparring with - weapons only - for a few years. Always we had more sparring than in class.
I think it was priceless and very beneficial
This is not good if it is your only type of training. Large classes with different types of people and instructors is totally necessasary.
I break mine down to 32 years of private workouts and 17 years during this whole time was in large classes.
This meant I worked out sometimes 4 to 5 days a week when doing both type of workouts at the same time. This worked out specially good for me because when I learned something new in class I would teach it to the guys - which helped me learn the new technique faster tnan the rest of the large classes.
I think variety is good.

#166765 - 07/14/05 12:12 PM Re: Your Expierience Of Private Tuition............... [Re: shoshinkan]
Crash Offline
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Registered: 08/17/04
Posts: 627
Loc: Ontario, Canada
I've never had one on one MA instruction but I have had private one on one fitness training with my sensi, expensive but worth it. Because it's a whole other game when your alone and you just can't cheat anyone but your self.

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