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#166602 - 07/12/05 10:20 AM Passion
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On the path of becoming, on entering any 'way', what is the role of passion?

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#166603 - 07/12/05 10:49 AM Re: Passion [Re: harlan]
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Most folks think of passion as synonomous with excitement or lust.The latin root for the word passion means to "suffer'. "Compassion" means to Suffer with. "On the path of becoming, on entering any 'way', what is the role of passion?" I think it is a recognition and acceptance that we will suffer.

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#166604 - 07/12/05 11:46 AM Re: Passion [Re: oldman]
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I think it is a recognition and acceptance that we will suffer.



Can I take it to a more masochistic state, and say that rather acceptance, its the need to suffer in order for something to be a passion?

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#166605 - 07/12/05 11:52 AM Re: Passion [Re: MAGr]
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(To MAGr) Is swimming a passion? Do you swim through your pain?

Is pain/suffering because a passion is attached to an object...say ego?

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#166606 - 07/12/05 12:11 PM Re: Passion [Re: harlan]
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I dont think I understand what you mean.

Could you elaborate a little?

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#166607 - 07/12/05 02:21 PM Re: Passion [Re: harlan]
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On the path of becoming, on entering any 'way', what is the role of passion?




Maybe to do something with devotion and care. To live for it, then that would mean to find your purpouse.

Why would it be attached by something
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#166608 - 07/12/05 02:32 PM Re: Passion [Re: Prometej]
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Some folks think of 'a passion for...(fill in the blank)'. Often confused for ambition or desire, they get passionate about someTHING.

One can experience passion in life, say, while learning a martial art. You sweat, work at something, hit personal walls...suffer. But at a certain point, there is a 'letting go'...a 'relaxing'...and the object that one strives for dissappears.


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Why would it be attached by something



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#166609 - 07/12/05 02:40 PM Re: Passion [Re: harlan]
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I don`t think of passion as something that you can let go or connect it with pain.Letting go after a while for me would mean - a one time interest.
Pain can come for many reasons, noone connects love... I just remembered that love is coonected with pain but why then call passion pain or suffering. More things could be called that way .
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#166610 - 07/12/05 05:38 PM Re: Passion [Re: Prometej]
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I think I like the idea of passion having similar meaning to suffering. To have passion for something we truly enjoy, we do have to suffer sometimes for it. If there is something we truly want, we will suffer much to atttain it.

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#166611 - 07/13/05 08:51 AM Re: Passion [Re: harlan]
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the role of passion is to fade

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#166612 - 07/13/05 09:49 AM Re: Passion [Re: MAGr]
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I think it is a recognition and acceptance that we will suffer.



Can I take it to a more masochistic state, and say that rather acceptance, its the need to suffer in order for something to be a passion?




As a purely intellectual matter there is no "need" to suffer -it the natural state of the human condition. To understand that it is "something" is a bit off the mark. We all "suffer" to one degree or another on a daily basis - a bad boss, a difficult realtionship, guilt, indecision and so on. Even love and happiness is a form of suffering although we typically do not associate 'good' feelings with a level of suffering. However it is the very essense of duality, of yin and yang. These situations are unavoidable in our daily lives. It's not what happens to you that matters is what you do about it. The question I constantly ask myself is not "what" I see but why I see it that way. In the western sense of it, to be "dispassionate" is to be cool or unbiased. That is not necessarily a proper understanding but it is a step toward an 'unfettered mind'.

These are only words and I think I've already said too much. In the end, they may either contribute to ones undertanding or add to our confusion. I wish I understood it all better myself and could put this in clearer terms.

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#166613 - 07/13/05 09:56 AM Re: Passion [Re: nenipp]
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I tend to believe that the role of passion is to consume.

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the role of passion is to fade



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#166614 - 07/13/05 03:56 PM Re: Passion [Re: oldman]
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Most folks think of passion as synonomous with excitement or lust.The latin root for the word passion means to "suffer'.




'Crime of passion?! Yeah, look at all the passion on these walls' Morgan Freeman- Se7en.
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#166615 - 07/13/05 04:48 PM Re: Passion [Re: oldman]
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Passion as suffering? I never knew that.

It makes perfect sense, though. To have a passion for something is to suffer the trials related to the experience, and also the time away from it.
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#166616 - 07/14/05 02:36 AM Re: Passion [Re: MattJ]
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Perhaps only when we have passion can we suffer. Actually, that would help explain the "withdrawal" response to trauma that some people experience.


Edited by Foolsgold (07/14/05 02:37 AM)
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#166617 - 07/16/05 09:13 PM Re: Passion [Re: MattJ]
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Passion as suffering? I never knew that.

It makes perfect sense, though. To have a passion for something is to suffer the trials related to the experience, and also the time away from it.



I was thinking the same thing when I first seen the movie title "The Passion of the Christ".
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#166618 - 07/17/05 04:12 PM Re: Passion [Re: MattJ]
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Passion as suffering? I never knew that.

It makes perfect sense, though. To have a passion for something is to suffer the trials related to the experience, and also the time away from it.




yes!

it all starts to make sense now!
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#166619 - 01/10/06 02:17 PM Re: Passion [Re: Reiki]
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From the world of passions returning to the world of passions:

There is a moments pause.
If it rains, let it rain;
if the wind blows, let it blow.

- Zen Master Ikkyu's first poem after his Enlightenment

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#166620 - 01/12/06 03:02 AM Re: Passion [Re: MattJ]
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There is also the possibility that having passion shows a desire to be at one with something and never achieving it... therefore the pain connected to this not-at-oneness.
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