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#165788 - 07/12/05 02:54 AM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: kusojiji]
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BJJ. All gi. Standup limited to shooting doubles from the outside.

See it all the time.
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#165789 - 07/12/05 11:09 AM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: Fletch1]
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BJJ. All gi. Standup limited to shooting doubles from the outside.

See it all the time.





Looks like them boys gotta work on their standup game.
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#165790 - 07/12/05 11:34 AM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: kusojiji]
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You betcha.
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#165791 - 07/13/05 05:37 AM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: Fletch1]
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If you grapple often enough against good guys everybody eventually has someone get double underhooks on them.

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#165792 - 07/14/05 02:26 AM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: Fletch1]
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Single underhook at an angle is probably the position I work for most in the clinch, aside perhaps from the "Muay Thai" clinch (both hands clasped behind the neck). An excellent techinque from this position is a very simple takedown called the slide-by.

When you create an angle, your opponent is virtually forced to try to face you. There are a variety of takedowns that can be done during this transition, but this is my favorite.

As your opponent is turning towards you, bend your knees, drop your arms to the back of your opponent's knees, and pin their arm with your head. From there, drive laterally and take side control/side mount.

I hope someone is able to put this to good use!
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#165793 - 07/16/05 12:28 PM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: BigRod]
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If you grapple often enough against good guys everybody eventually has someone get double underhooks on them.




In the practice room lots of things happen when training to exhaustion, but if you let someone get double unders on you..well...that's pretty poor
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#165794 - 07/16/05 12:46 PM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: kusojiji]
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if you let someone get double unders on you..well...that's pretty poor




Come on man...

No one has ever gotten double underhooks on you? Even the pros sometimes get double underhooked. That's why you learn counters.

Maybe you aren't working with people good enough to give you a challenge.

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#165795 - 07/16/05 01:26 PM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: BigRod]
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if you let someone get double unders on you..well...that's pretty poor




Come on man...

No one has ever gotten double underhooks on you?




Every embarrassingly unlikely thing you can think of has happened to me at some point in practice, but no one has gotten double unders on me in competition since Jr High School (which was about one million years ago). Now, I don't compete very much these days so who knows what indignities age is holding for me, but the fact remains that if someone gets double unders on you, you have done something very wrong.
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#165796 - 07/17/05 02:05 AM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: kusojiji]
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Quote:

Quote:

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if you let someone get double unders on you..well...that's pretty poor




Come on man...

No one has ever gotten double underhooks on you?




Every embarrassingly unlikely thing you can think of has happened to me at some point in practice, but no one has gotten double unders on me in competition since Jr High School (which was about one million years ago). Now, I don't compete very much these days so who knows what indignities age is holding for me, but the fact remains that if someone gets double unders on you, you have done something very wrong.




Let's try to remember, MMA and straight Wrestling are two immensely different things.
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#165797 - 07/17/05 10:38 AM Re: The Underhook (Clinch) [Re: Mu Ryuk]
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Absolutely.

When you grapple, there is a compromise as far as striking and vice versa. We see this when pure strikers are unable to avoid being clinched, or even great grapplers get taken down while trying to strike.
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