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#165594 - 07/12/05 02:39 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: dadoody5]
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As stated before, I don't know how to post links, but I've seen several sets of stats about crime rates and gun control laws, and in every case, when the source given was reliable the numbers for violent crime/sex crimes were much lower for right to carry states as opposed to restrictive states. Sites promoted by the NRA or 2nd Amendment groups may seem biased, but why is it that pro gun control sites always quote stats from news media known for their liberal biases? Any of the pro gun rights groups are routinely quoting stats by the FBI, US Justice Department, Univerities/law schools. Do the comparisons, and see what there is for stats.

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#165595 - 07/12/05 03:24 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: dadoody5]
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Have you been living in a f---ing hole?
I'm a proud Asian American who strongly supports the 2nd amendment. You probably wouldn't understand the reality of crime and self-defense until you're mugged yourself or worse.




I respect your standpoint and am not anti gun per se, but what works in one culture does not necessarily work in another. Britain does still have very little gun crime in relation to its population. What gun crime there is tends to be concentrated in certain specific areas (inner cities that have become known , even notorious, areas nationaly), these areas inflate the national picture artificialy.

Living across the atlantic, you are not in the strongest position to speak with authority on the state of Britain and its social issues, anymore than I could offer true insight into american culture and its good and bad points.
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#165596 - 07/12/05 05:47 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: dadoody5]
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Anyone seen the new batman film? well this is badly misquoted by me but it's the genral idea, the cop guy tlaking to bat man says soemhting like:

They use knives so we get pstols
they get pistols so we use sub machine guns and body armour
they get blah blah
and now we got batman...

obiviously refering to whats to come (all the mad criminals liek the joker etc ) but my point with that is if your gonna rob etc you generally want the advantage ( weaponn ) if everyone has guns to defende themselves...

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#165597 - 07/12/05 08:59 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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They destroy drugs everyday,everywhere,yet the criminals still have them. We don't need stricter laws,we need to enforce the laws already in place. THAT would reduce gun crime.



What laws are already in place?
What is the proccess of obtaining a permit?

THe rite to bear arms...probably wasn't so much of a bad idea when you needed them to hunt for food, and protection against bears and mountain lions, or fighting of the red-coats.
BUt now that we have grocery stores, and there isn't too many bears roaming the streets these days, and the Brits and Americans are allies...do you really think you still need that gun? We got strict gun laws up here, and although there is still guns and gun crime, I feel safe walking down whatever street at whatever time not packing heat.
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#165598 - 07/12/05 10:18 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: fattts14]
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Have you been living in a f---ing hole?





dadoody, Keep it civil.Comments like this aren't necessary and could be construed as a personal attack.

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What laws are already in place?





Do your own searching and research.There are too many gun laws to be listed and they vary from state to state.

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What is the proccess of obtaining a permit?





Same as above.

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THe rite to bear arms...probably wasn't so much of a bad idea when you needed them to hunt for food, and protection against bears and mountain lions, or fighting of the red-coats.
BUt now that we have grocery stores, and there isn't too many bears roaming the streets these days, and the Brits and Americans are allies...do you really think you still need that gun? We got strict gun laws up here, and although there is still guns and gun crime, I feel safe walking down whatever street at whatever time not packing heat.




There are many more reasons for the second ammendment than what you stated.One is to keep the governing body from being too governing.
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#165599 - 07/12/05 11:03 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: dadoody5]
MAGr Offline
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Have you been living in a f---ing hole?



I could take the two last words and make one hell of a comeback but I will keep it civil and not talk about your relatives.

Lets deal with the first link you posted, these are quotes from the article:

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Home Office minister Hazel Blears said: "The risk of a fatal shooting in England and Wales is still one of the lowest in the world."

Last year there were 80 fatal incidents compared to 95 the year before - a reduction of around one sixth

Overall crime rates remained "unchanged" according to recorded crime figures, but the number of offences reported by interviewees in the British Crime Survey, which excludes crimes against children and businesses, fell by 5%.

The British Crime Survey, which includes crimes not reported to police, also found:

Overall crime fell
The risk of being a victim is the same as in 1981, at 26.9%
There were 5% fewer violent crimes reported to the survey in the 12 months to June 2003
Recorded robbery fell 7% in April-June 2003 compared to same period last year





So where in the above did you find something saying that there has been an exponential rise in gun crime or crime in general in the UK?

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I'm a proud Asian American who strongly supports the 2nd amendment



Ok dude, you ve convinced me now!
The statistics game has been played before and it has been found that you can find statistics to prove that the Earth is flat, believe me I used to be an analyst.

I think whatever causes deaths to be less is good. But giving people more dangerous weapons is not the answer IMO. Do you support the 2nd amendment (that talks about the right to have arms if I am not mistaken) because you think that criminals will get guns and therefore there is no point in having law abiding citizens not having them to defend themselves and their homes? How bout you try to answer the fact that law abiding citizens ARE the criminals. Ok so some of them are re offending criminals, but a lot of them are ex-law abiders arent they?

Also, why is are there so many gun related deaths in the US if, like you said, criminals get dissuaded by the fact that a citizen may be packing heat?

I think you want a gun because you feel safer behind it. The solution to unecessary deaths is not to give an illusion of safety to a citizen because his tool of defence is bigger than his neighbours. The solution is hidden in people's mentality and irresponsibility. You think that when someone is drunk or high or pumped on adrenaline is thinking about the consequences of the law. Ok, so some people in the UK have been attacked by gun carrying dudes and have been shot whilst been unable to defend themselves adequately, but that doesnt hide the fact that a lot less gun crimes happen because no one has easy access to guns.

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#165600 - 07/12/05 11:19 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: MAGr]
MattJ Offline
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MAGr -

Lots of people have firearms in the USA or sporting purposes, so let's not call people cowards for having them.

The problem, as you pointed out, is law abiding folks that get weapons and use them in improper circumstances. How do you enforce laws on people that are not yet law-breakers?
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#165601 - 07/12/05 11:29 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: MattJ]
MAGr Offline
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Lots of people have firearms in the USA or sporting purposes, so let's not call people cowards for having them.



No, of course not. I also go hunting and I own a rifle. But its not kept loaded, I dont have it in my car or on my person, and in fact it is kept locked in my safe only to be brought out when I go hunting. Hunting rifles and shotguns are allowed in the UK, its the hand guns and the semis/autos that are banned. Also, for someone who goes hunting, unless yuo are hunting elephants there is no reason to have slugs.#

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How do you enforce laws on people that are not yet law-breakers?



Its called a pre-emptive law. I think it is fair enough. How do you ban countries owning nuclear missiles if they havent launched one yet?

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#165602 - 07/12/05 11:52 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: MAGr]
nekogami13 V2.0 Offline
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The US has something like over 1,200 federal laws regarding firearms.
These address improper ownership of firearms(felons have no right to own,etc.) to punishing people committing crimes with firearms.

We, here in the US, do not need more laws. We need proper enforcement of the laws already in place.

PS. regarding shotgun slugs-people use them to hunt deer, because they do not wish to buy a seperate rifle.
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#165603 - 07/12/05 12:04 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: nekogami13 V2.0]
MAGr Offline
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regarding shotgun slugs-people use them to hunt deer, because they do not wish to buy a seperate rifle



Only because they cant shoot well enough..

Like I said people who use the guns IMO, usually dont evaluate the risk of punishment nor do they care about the consequences at the time.
But yes the existing ones need to be enforced and tightened.


Edited by MAGr (07/12/05 12:35 PM)

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