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#165584 - 07/11/05 08:42 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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We don't need stricter laws, we need to enforce the laws already in place.

I don't know for sure what the laws are in the U.S., but I do know that if the Police in the U.K. went about clearing crime with the same vigour with which they hound motorists
we'd all be alot better off.

Going back to the point of "an armed society is a polite society."
If that were the case then all we need to do to stop bullying in schools is to teach every student self defence.
Yeah, right.
All you end up with is martially trained bullies that now have a myriad of ways to inflict pain and suffering on the meek of society.
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#165585 - 07/11/05 08:46 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: pathfinder7195]
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Yes, I am referring to the criminals(repeat offenders) who are responsible for the majority of gun crimes,not the guy next door.Crimes of passion happen also,but they would happen with or without the help of a firearm.
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#165586 - 07/11/05 09:03 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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SANCHIN I disagree with your premise that most of the gun crimes are committed by "repeat offenders". Do you have any FBI stats to back that up? I'll try looking.

Kevin

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#165587 - 07/11/05 09:14 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: pathfinder7195]
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#165588 - 07/11/05 09:25 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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SANCHIN I think your site may be a little biased?

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#165589 - 07/11/05 09:36 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: pathfinder7195]
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The FBI is biased? Also....

Quote:

* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%. (1)



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#165590 - 07/11/05 09:41 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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I still trust the FBI stats more. They are the ones used in all college criminal justice classes. They tend to be the most trusted.

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#165591 - 07/11/05 09:51 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Quote by SANCHIN31 -

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Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming a keyboard for typing errors.




Sorry, bro. That analogy has the same problem that neko's did earlier. A keyboard's intended purpose is wholly different from a gun's.

BuDoc did bring up a point about misuse. When teens or other emotionally sensitive people (depression, divorcees, etc) have access to firearms, the likelyhood of misuse rises dramatically.

As these people are not yet criminals, what should be done to limit firearm availability to them?

Please note that I am not arguing that misuse is not occuring - I am just trying to see what proposals exist to control otherwise law-abiding citizens in heat-of-moment acts of violence.

I do not know if more laws would help - but is it possible to ever adequately enforce even what laws exist now? Certainly the status quo is not really acceptable.
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#165592 - 07/11/05 10:48 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: MattJ]
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The intended purpose for my firearms are target practice,hunting,and personal protection.If someone uses a rifle obviously made for huning to kill a person is it the rifle's fault?
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#165593 - 07/12/05 12:55 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: MAGr]
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In England, the gun law is too much. Citizens can no longer protect themselves, and the criminals are taking advantage of this. If you'll notice, crime has jumped exponentially in the UK since handguns were banned.



What are you talking about??
Dont state assumptions as facts, because someone may actually believe you!
It hasnt even risen let alone 'exponentially'! :rolleyes:

What BuDoc said, affirmed my suspicions.
The question on whether guns should be allowed is this. Are the number of people saved by protecting themselves with guns more than the number of people wrongfully killed by guns?




Have you been living in a f---ing hole?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3195908.stm

http://www.tsra.com/Lott112.htm

http://www.fmft.net/archives/000959.html

I'm a proud Asian American who strongly supports the 2nd amendment. You probably wouldn't understand the reality of crime and self-defense until you're mugged yourself or worse.

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