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#165554 - 07/08/05 03:44 PM Gun laws: too much or not enough?
Slayr Offline
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Registered: 07/05/04
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Loc: Columbus, Ga. USA
I have talked to several of you in the latest scenario thread and the weapons thread on the topic of guns, how much is too much (never too much if you ask me as you may have read), and how much restriction should be placed on guns and such. I decided to stop backing up the other threads with opinions and "heated" debate and bring it here.

Here's the question:
How much restriction should be placed on guns, knives, batons, tazers, pepper spray, and the whole deal. How involved should the government be on restricting these? I have given my spill already in the novel I wrote in the "What weapons do you carry" thread, so I will try not to talk too much here. I wanna know what other martial artists think on this topic.
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#165555 - 07/08/05 04:02 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: Slayr]
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As a moderator, I see you want to keep us busy

I will warn everyone up front: KEEP IT CIVILIZED!!!!!

As for my personal feelings, Robert Heinlein summed it up nicely: "An armed society is a polite society."
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#165556 - 07/08/05 04:56 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: nekogami13 V2.0]
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neko, exactly. Slayr, I believe that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. The right to keep and bear arms is one of the most fundamental American rights. It allows us to protect ourselves from any threat, even our own government. The problem isn't that we don't have enough gun laws on the books, the problem is that we need to enforce the ones we have, which will never be truly possible.

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#165557 - 07/08/05 11:07 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: Slayr]
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I'm afraid that some idiot, whom I unintentionally cut off in traffic, will pull up next to me and blow what few brains I have out the passenger side window. I'm also afraid that I'll get into what I think is a civil debate on politics, religion, abortion, etc., and the other person will go postal on me. (My apologies to the U.S. Postal Service; it's just an expression, honest!!) I could go on, but you get my point. WE've practiced gun-disarms in class, but I'd like to avoid it, if possible. I just don't trust my fellow man to be as reasonable or civil as I am and, if he/she's packing heat, my wife's a widow. And for what????????
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#165558 - 07/09/05 05:32 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: Gino]
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Gino, it goes back to the idea that an armed society is a polite society. I understand worrying about who's carrying, but if you're carrying as well, and most of the people are, who's going to let it get out of hand? The whole idea is that either almost everyone is armed, or almost noone is armed, and by the broadest definition of that, any person is armed at any given time.

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#165559 - 07/09/05 07:16 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: Gino]
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Gino,
Another thing to consider is that the guy who would do such a horrid thing is not the law abiding citizen who would be able to have a gun permit to begin with.He's the loon that we need protection from who is already packin' despite having a license.
I for one like the ccw laws and wish more states would adopt it.One thing that does concern me though is what do licensed carriers do with their gun when they have to enter a building where guns aren't allowed? Leave it in the car?
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#165560 - 07/09/05 07:24 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: SANCHIN31]
MAGr Offline
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Registered: 04/11/05
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What I would like to know, is what is stopping an escalated arguement between two drunk guys over a girl turning in to a gunfight? Like we have all seen poplarized in the 'ghetto'.

Basically a moment of irresponsibility is all it takes.
How about making the minimum age of owning a gun 30?
Why not have psychological testing. Someone said before because that could be turned and used as a policy that too many people are not allowed to carry guns. Psychology is a well established science (albeit not an accurate one) I am sure they can make a test to determine who has psychological imbalances, a very high temper for example.

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#165561 - 07/09/05 09:55 AM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
Gino Offline
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Quote:

Gino, it goes back to the idea that an armed society is a polite society. I understand worrying about who's carrying, but if you're carrying as well, and most of the people are, who's going to let it get out of hand?



I respecfully disagree with this position. It assumes that human beings are reasonable creatures who will use logic and deliberate thought and planning to dictate their behavior. Many people, who are otherwise good people, sometimes lack impulse control, misperceive social situations and are too quick to judge the behavior of others. IMHO, without some SERIOUS form of gun control, this is a receipe for disaster. Guns are too available in the U.S., and I don't trust my fellow man enough to use his responsibly. But, I am enjoying the debate.
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#165562 - 07/09/05 03:38 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: Gino]
Cord Offline
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Registered: 01/13/05
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Loc: Cambridge UK.
Which is more dangerous, intent or oppertunity?

If I wanted to kill someone, yet I didnt have access to a 'recognised weapon' (gun, tactical knife, crossbow etc)
then i should think i would use a bread/steak knife, a rock in a sock, my car, a corkscrew.... you get the point.

However, all these require more thought and effort than pulling a trigger, so in preparing the rock in the sock, or driving my car of doom to its murderous destination, i have a window of opertunity in which to realise that what I am doing is DUMB!

There is no easy answer, but i have seen plenty of fights escalate in the heat of the moment to the use of bottles and glass, both of which are easily capable of maiming and killing. Would guns have been drawn in these situations if available? I couldn't say for sure.

If we do start relaxing weapon carrying laws in the UK (which I believe is very unlikely, so somewhat of a moot point), then I would expect random breath tests/drug tests on licensed gun carriers, with the banning/incarceration of those found under the influence. Its what we do for drunk drivers, and i would want no less for irresponsible gun carriers.
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#165563 - 07/09/05 03:43 PM Re: Gun laws: too much or not enough? [Re: Slayr]
BAMA REDNECK9000 Offline
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The gov. doesn't need to be involved with guns, we should be able to have as many as we want and shoot and blow up wutevers we want, hehehehehe!!!!!!!!!!! , but seriously, I think guns only need to be used for hunting and target practicing.
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