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#165482 - 07/12/05 03:27 AM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: freakyfencer]
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I think that fencing should remain especially when you have equestrian & sailing sports represented (both much more eliteist). Sport should be man vs. man. Bikes are OK because they require man-power. If sailing is allowed to remain, why not hang gliding or water skiing. Rythmic gymnastics & syncronized swimming??? What happened there? Archery not target shooting. Is Team Handball still in? If so, why not lacrosse?

I got a headache & the IOC got a problem w/ the definition of sport.

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#165483 - 07/12/05 05:06 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: hedkikr]
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Rythmic gymnastics and syncronized swiming both require significant physical and artistic ability by all involved, and target shooting requires perfect control of your body. You and I might not agree with them, but they are sports.

Budoc, I have heard it suggested that this was a jab at the US, which has dominated both baseball and softball games. Frankly, I wouldn't be suprised.
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#165484 - 07/13/05 01:37 AM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: Benjamin1986]
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There was nothing in the Olympic rules that states that an included sport must be artistic. BTW, that's the same arguement used by those who wanted to include Ballroom Dancing as an Olympic sport (that it takes strength & stamina and is artistic: comparison w/ figure skating).

Can you say "slippery slope"?

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#165485 - 07/13/05 12:12 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: hedkikr]
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Isnt a sport a test of skill not artistry? Sometimes the definitions mix but ballroom dancing is not a sport, and neither is curling. I refuse to watch peole hurl a ball on ice, with two others sweeping the ice as the ball travels to a target that is bigger than a friggin helipad!

Fencing requires skill, and is a sport that is appreciated by many countries and nationalities. It is sword fighting for crist sake, which country does not have a sword as a weapon at one time or another? It should definetely stay in, and as for the elitist arguement....a horse is more expensive than a fencing suit.
As for baseball, that is a sport in which two countries in the entire Globe invest millions, and the rest nothing. So we might aswell not have any other competitors.

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umm, 776bc they fenced ?
did not know they made such blade then, or even that roman invented them



Dude, what an insult! the Olympics is a Greek 'invention'

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#165486 - 07/13/05 12:47 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: Benjamin1986]
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I could definately see a jab being taken against the US in the world of politics that embroils the IOC.

it just doesn't make any sense. Well maybe we are a dominant force in softball, but baseball??

Japan, Cuba, Mexico,dominican Republic all do well in baseball. We didn't even take the gold in it last time

It would be nice to see what the exact criteria are for inclusion, and then see which sports qualify.

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#165487 - 07/13/05 12:57 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: MAGr]
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I'm catching alot of $h!t for calling fencing elitest.

I didn't mean it in a bad way, I swear! I love fencing, I've got no beef with it.

However. fencing is not a readily available sport. Either is polo, any of the Equestrian games, target shooting, sailing, I'm sure there are others.

Hundreds of nations get to be represented in the Olympics. Many of them are very poor countries with very poor people. Very,very few of their population would ever get a chance to sample some of these events let alone, formally participate, let alone compete on an international level!

Thats all I'm saying.

Track and field, wrestling, swimming,,basketball, handball, soccer etc.etc. Very little equipment expense. And what little is required can be used by many.

Broader participation, less chance of being cancelled.

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#165488 - 07/13/05 01:10 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: BuDoc]
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Just as long as we are in agreement over curling (*shudder*).

And the British people were so proud when the UK team won the olypic curling gold medal!! Awww...Bless!

Actually I would be very interested to find out what criteria is for sports being included/excluded

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#165489 - 07/13/05 01:26 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: BuDoc]
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#165490 - 07/24/05 06:03 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: freakyfencer]
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*crosses fingers that they don't cut it* if they did, France and italy would lose alot of medals...

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#165491 - 07/24/05 09:55 PM Re: Olympic Sports: is fencing in danger? [Re: Warwolph]
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Plus American Fencers are getting alot better.
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