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#165011 - 07/07/05 11:39 AM What kicks?
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In TKD (for the most part), students are required to learn very flashy kicks, aerials and spins. (tornado kick, 540, 720, etc.) Those kicks are very artistic, but not "real world" practical.

I was just wondering, in Karate (Shotokan for instance) are you required to perform these kicks to advance to black belt, or do you focus more on the practical ones, such as roundhouse?

Are there any aerials in Karate?

Thanks!

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#165012 - 07/07/05 11:47 AM Re: What kicks? [Re: Zombie Zero]
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I wasn’t required to learn any flashy techniques. I do jumping front kicks and jumping rounds but they weren’t required for my belt rank.

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#165013 - 07/07/05 11:50 AM Re: What kicks? [Re: Zombie Zero]
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In TKD (for the most part), students are required to learn very flashy kicks, aerials and spins. (tornado kick, 540, 720, etc.) Very artistic, but not "real world" practical.

I was just wondering, in Karate (Shotokan for instance) are you required to perform these kicks to advance to black belt, or do you focus more on the practical ones, such as roundhouse?

Are there any aerials in Karate?

Thanks!




Ahem, roundhouse is also a TKD kick. In fact, if you look at it, TKD and Karate aren't that different in their kicks. Any good Karateka should be able to do so called TKD kicks easily. Just that TKD seems to place more emphasis on kicking techniques.

TKD practitioners are taught all the same "practical" kicks as Karateka before they start on the flashy stuff.

I think you've been watching a few too many demos and haven't sparred a TKD practitioner before.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (07/07/05 11:51 AM)
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#165014 - 07/07/05 11:57 AM Re: What kicks? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Thanks. What belt are you now? What style?

Leo,
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Ahem, roundhouse is also a TKD kick.



I know that.

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TKD practitioners are taught all the same "practical" kicks as Karateka before they start on the flashy stuff.




Yes, no kidding.

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I think you've been watching a few too many demos and haven't sparred a TKD practitioner before.



Actually, I spar with TKDs very often. They never do an aerial 720 in free sparring, unless they want either to get kicked in the back, or fall on the ground when I'm not in that spot when they finish.

I didn't say that TKDs ONLY practice flashy kicks. Go back, read my post again, and try a little reading comprehension before you flame me.

Thank you.
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#165015 - 07/07/05 12:05 PM Re: What kicks? [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Oops .

Well you'll find that the kicks in TKD are very similar to particularly Shotokan Karate. TKD is apparently a semi-derivative of the Shotokan style.

So if you know that TKD doesn't just train flashy kicks, what makes you think that Karateka don't train flashy kicks?

I'll be willing to bet that if you go around and rephrase this topic as "Karateka can't do flashy kicks", you'll get a big rebuttal.

It's not the art that matters, it's the individual who makes the difference. You choose what kicks you want to use and what you don't, no art can force you to use flashy kicks in a situation where practical ones are required.

In fact, when I did my grading for black belt in WTF TKD, I did only one single flashy kick (360 roundhouse). Other than that it was just roundhouses, front kicks and side kicks. Even the Koryo pattern (for 1st Dan) doesn't include flashy kicks. The closest you get is a jumping front kick in Pal Jang (required for 1st Kup), which you can readily find in many Karate styles.


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#165016 - 07/07/05 12:11 PM Re: What kicks? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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So if you know that TKD doesn't just train flashy kicks, what makes you think that Karateka don't train flashy kicks?



Here we go again. I don't think that. That's the question I'm asking. Do Karateka practise these kicks? Is it required for black belt?

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I'll be willing to bet that if you go around and rephrase this topic as "Karateka can't do flashy kicks", you'll get a big rebuttal.



No sensible interpretation of my original question would lead you to think I'm saying that.

Are you really this obtuse, or are you just trolling me?

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#165017 - 07/07/05 12:15 PM Re: What kicks? [Re: Zombie Zero]
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In TKD (for the most part), students are required to learn very flashy kicks, aerials and spins. (tornado kick, 540, 720, etc.) Very artistic, but not "real world" practical.

I was just wondering, in Karate (Shotokan for instance) are you required to perform these kicks to advance to black belt, or do you focus more on the practical ones, such as roundhouse?

Are there any aerials in Karate?

Thanks!




I am really that obtuse. Sometimes things have to be spelled out for me. I'm surprised that you think that flashy kicks are required for TKD black belt.
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#165018 - 07/07/05 12:20 PM Re: What kicks? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Leo,

I looked at some TKD schools in my area, and they do in fact require these kicks, not just at black belt, but at lower ones, too.

For instance, in order to advance to blue belt, one must break a board with a jump spin back kick.

I have this weird thing I do: When I don't know something, but would like to know, I do some research. I also ask questions of people who would most likely know the answer.

If you can't answer my question, that's fine. Just stop putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

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#165019 - 07/07/05 12:57 PM Re: What kicks? [Re: Zombie Zero]
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Well, I certainly agree with asking questions.

I'm surprised and disappointed that TKD schools in your area make it a grading requirement to do flashy kicks and board breaks. Perhaps TKD is not as practical where you live as I thought.

Good luck with whatever you are searching for.

P.S. My apologies if I misinterpreted what you were saying about TKD and Karate, no harm intended. From my experience with friends in Karate, they train just as well at flashy kicking even up to black belt. Also, grading syllabi will vary depending on the organisation/school/instructor, not just the style.


Edited by Leo_E_49 (07/07/05 01:02 PM)
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#165020 - 07/07/05 01:39 PM Re: What kicks? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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Post something that makes sense or don't post at all!


Edited by SANCHIN31 (07/07/05 02:41 PM)

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