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#164125 - 07/06/05 04:59 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: ingo]
Raul Perez Offline
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I was actually going to recommend the Seidokan Karate. But I was too lazy to find out where they were in NYC. Both would be good. But Seidokan seems to be more well rounded if you ask me. Ground fighting, punches to the face and such.

But as John said.... check em out and see if you like em. More doing... less asking buddy boy!
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#164126 - 07/07/05 12:03 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: Raul Perez]
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Seido and Seidokaikan are actually two different offshoots of Kyokushi. Seido (headquartered in NYC) is founded and run by Tadashi Nakumura who split from Kyokushi in 1976. Chris Caile, who runs this website, is a Seishihan with Seido and often trains at Honbu on 23rd street. It is not as physical as pure Kyokushin but has a good balance between kata and kumite. I am afraid I am not familiar with Seidokaikan

#164127 - 07/07/05 04:06 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: rookie]
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Seidokaikan our the folks that bring you the K-1 Grand Prixs. Much more to the kickboxing side of affairs. Ishii, the founder of Seidokaikan was a branch manager for Ashihara Karate, and was formerly under the aegis of Kyokushin when Ashihara Sensei was.

More modern appoach to fighting when compared to traditional karate. Andy Hug switched from Kyokushin to Seido....

Good stuff.


#164128 - 07/07/05 04:51 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: butterfly]
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I think Raul hit it on the points pretty well. It may be a bit straight forward in its approach to combat, sans the face punches, but you will learn how to throw some good body shots that won't just be for show.


There's a big problem with schools that allow heady body contact and no face contact. It trains their students to drop their guard! Then they go out in the streets where 90% of techniques thrown at them will be to the head, and just about anything to the body isn't much, anyway. Better to limit the body contact a little and allow light contact to the face & head.

#164129 - 07/07/05 05:33 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: Ironfoot]
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I 100% agree with you...this, in some regards, is the quitessential problem with sport utility of the arts...that the function has been directed toward points or control, not stopping the conflict. This, by the way, doesn't imply that sport stylists can't perform self-defense....just that if you train "solely" for a particular sporting goal, then this is how IMHO you will react when the goal is different.

There are great virtues to sport contests of all sorts, but over reliance on some "sporting" techniques may be problematic.

Within a strict sporting context, there have been some problems with newbie kickboxers who entered the K-1 Grand Prixs from a former Kyokushin background. Many, including Andy Hug, had problems with countering the jab in many of his first bouts...because of the lack of training with regards to face punches. A properly executed jab can stop a low kick. It was just interesting to see this.

However, these guys quickly got on their game.


#164130 - 07/20/05 03:51 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: Raul Perez]
ingo Offline

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Hello all,

I ended up joining thie Kyokushin school near my work. It is HARD! Only been to three classes so far, and I've learned just how out of shape I am. I think I have found the style that will be the most challenging.

Thanks for the input!

#164131 - 07/20/05 08:15 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: ingo]
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Enjoy and good luck!!

#164132 - 06/01/08 09:07 AM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: butterfly]
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Loc: Kimberly, WI, USA
But how many schools have you seen doing only or even mostly self-defense? My Kyokushinkai school was mostly self-defense, but it had no contact allowed. I have not encountered any more schools like that one. I would prefer it over the sport one any day.
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#164133 - 06/12/08 01:02 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: ingo]
mwmanvt Offline

Registered: 03/21/07
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Loc: Hoboken, NJ
I studied Kyokushin. It is fantastic! We were a full contact (with pads) group.

As far as "no shots to the face makes you drop your guard"...our Sensai taught us, DONT DROP YOUR GUARD...just because you can't punch to the face does not mean you can't tap someone on the forehead as a way of saying "you just dropped your guard".

My experience with Kyokushin: It is a no nonsense, non McDojo style.

Does anyone know of a Kyokushin school in Northern Va?

#164134 - 06/12/08 01:08 PM Re: kyokushin vs. other schools of karate [Re: mwmanvt]
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I'm curious. Does the art have throws and grappling of any sort or is it just punches and kicks?
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