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#16334 - 12/02/03 07:14 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
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Let me end this nonsense....

You need both a grappling and striking art..

You can strike to help you grapple (weak the opponent them apply a lock) and grapple to make an opening to strike

The two go hand in hand....

With grappling/wrestling alot of energy has to be spent when you are under your oppponent....(especially if he is bigger than you)

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#16335 - 12/02/03 07:48 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
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Shotokan....

....you need a grappling and striking art to fignt in a mixed martial arts tournament! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG] for street defense and self defense in general you need a very simple and practical method, no matter what art you train in there will be some simple techniques that do not require much skill or thought when applying them, it is these techniques that will help you defend yourself. You only need to refine a couple of very practical, simple and effecient techniques for street self defense... honestly, what do you think you will be doing? fighting in a UFC match? I dont think so, you are going to either be attacked by some guy who fights like a windmill (flailing everywhere) or a complete psyhco, you want to be able to avoid his attack and simply knock him out! quickly and hard.

Knowledge in how to clinch is very helpful, as without having any knowledge of this very basic of techniques you may loose balance and fall which then leaves you to the mercy of your attackers boots. Train to stay on your feet... I aint saying this out of arguement but out of sheer common sense, you do not want to fight on the ground if you can help it. Train hard in standup clinch and have your partner try to throw you down while you practice standing, if you end up on the ground then you get up! do not stay there, street is not UFC or any ring, it is a dangerous place and the ground is no place to fight from if you can in any way use your skills to keep it standing. If you get him on the ground then run! dont forget groin shots and headbutts are allowed on the street! [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

then on top of all that you as an individual should know if its a good idea to try and run or stand and fight, if you have no choice but to fight then you as an individual must be mentally prepared for this. If he (the attacker is more than likely going to be a he) is much bigger than you then I sugest a good kick in the pearls, or lift a weapon and hit him with it and avoiding any such "over powering" encounters, thats stupid, do you want hospitalised? or raped? I assume no, so then dont act a maggot and just do whatever you need to do in order to get some breathing space for a runner.

If its a street attack you have to show some form of aggression towards him. If you are small and he is big do fight him to gain time so you can run.

If it comes to you being in a fight with him then as you are small you are going to bite, scratch and pull, knee, elbow, you must show a lot of aggression so he lets go cos, god forbid, if that was ever to happen to you I can guarantee all training you have ever had will be forgot, you will be left with some very simple things like punch and elbow, bite and scratch, you will be left with aggression.

You can ignore what I say but I would sugest if you are really serious then go to a very credible self defense teacher and learn some very simple but practical techniques that will give you some time to run.

You are not a man, we have testosterone, we are stronger than women and then on top of that you are small and attackers usually are hell bent on getting what they want! Unless you are some woman who is actually nuts and knows how to fight and can controll all the emotions that are experienced during a fight do not kid yourself by learning complicated stuff, do learn it so you know it but for self defense drill you mind only to use what is practical and sensible.

Think about it.

Thats the reallity, you are small and even if you do know BJJ the chances of you wrestling a man who is crazed is highly unlikely! learn how to gain time so as you can get away to call for help. carry friggen pepper spray in your bag or something...

goodluck.

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#16336 - 12/02/03 08:30 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
charles mckey Offline
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MuayThai:
Thats the reallity, you are small and even if you do know BJJ the chances of you wrestling a man who is crazed is highly unlikely! learn how to gain time so as you can get away to call for help. carry friggen pepper spray in your bag or something...
[/QUOTE]

Sorry Muay Thai, I'm going to disagree with you again [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] My personal view is that women should learn grappling, because the likelihood of an attacker wanting to pin her to the ground is greater than it is for blokes. Given the incidence of so called "date rape" compared to stranger rape, it's possible that she may find herself working from her back before she realises what's going on. Strength and size differentials will also make defeating even a clumsy take down harder, I'd have thought.

My own opinion is that along with practical striking training (in something that utilises hands, feet, elbows and knees) along with grappling working from the guard would be best.

The other thing that I think is imporatant is to do something that's an ongoing training process, including sparring and rolling with people that are trying to not let you do your thing. I wouldn't trust the knowledge imparted at a two day seminar or similar event to stay available for use when you really need it.

This post from rec.martial-arts says it more eloquently than I do;
[QUOTE]
Boy, this is a potential can of worms! Seriously, there's no one "good art for women" -- like men, it depends on the individual woman, what
she's looking for, what her strengths and weaknesses are, etc. That's the easy catch-all general answer to your question.

More specifically, I DO have some recommendations for a woman to consider when investigating which art to study. [I practice jujitsu, just to state my inherent bias upfront.] First off, I'm a firm believer in well-roundedness in any martial art, esp. if self-defense is an important objective of one's training: this means incorporating fighting techniques suitable for many ranges (i.e, stand-up punching and kicking and grappling/ground fighting, for example). Also, as a woman, I am most likely, in any street situation, going to be up against a larger, stronger opponent. Therefore, training in an art like judo, aikido or jujitsu -- where one is trained to use one's opponent's force against him (or her) in addition to one's own force -- is extremely valuable for smaller people of EITHER gender. The striking styles (karate, e.g.,) are excellent for developing speed, strength and coordination when fighting. But if that's a woman's focus, I would still recommend she take a few grappling classes -- Angie, are you listening?!? -- to get some ground-fighting experience in, since if a woman doesn't manage to run
away from an attacker after a quick pre-emptive strike, it's VERY likely she will end up on the ground, and quite possibly on her back with her legs apart... it would be VERY useful to be well-versed in fighting from the guard in that sort of situation!

Many women are uncomfortable with this sort of in-close fighting style, and I understand that. I'm not recommending everyone take up grappling in lieu of a striking art. But grappling IS a critical element when considering women's self-defense, IMHO.

Hope this helps.

-Jennifer
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[QUOTE]
A 'stereotypical' rapist probably doesn't know much about groundfighting, and will often have his weight forward trying to pin the woman's shoulders to the ground with one hand, while freeing up the skirt (and other things) with the other hand. We westerners don't really like to drop our weight properly, so he should be in the perfect position for an arm bar or triangle choke - things beginners are usually taught. If she can slip her shoulder out from under the one hand, it should be a perfect setup to break the perp's elbow - in this case, don't be gentle, and push the hips as high as they can go while trying to force his face into the ground with the feet/legs. I would recomend she immediately choke him out once the elbow is snapped, to give enough time to escape. Also, make sure to get a good DNA sample under the fingernails for positive ID later (his wallet can also help - but give it to the authorities intact [IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG] ).

A word of warning that most here will agree with - learning this stuff once in a seminar will not really help. You have to train continuously to make your body know it as natural movement. When the time comes, you won't have time to think it through.

(Posted by Paul Maybury)
[/QUOTE]

Whatever you do do, Littleone, choose something that you enjoy, at a club where you like the people. That way you'll be motivated to keep training, which is probably the most important thing of all!

Good luck.

[This message has been edited by charles mckey (edited 12-02-2003).]

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#16337 - 12/02/03 08:33 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
MuayThai Offline
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I should have said this

"you are small and even if you do know BJJ the chances of you wrestling a man INTO SUBMISSION who is crazed is highly unlikely!"

honestly do not fool yourself,

you are tiny!!!! lol.

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#16338 - 12/02/03 09:07 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
Anonymous
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True it is unlikely...but what if you combine striking and grappling..e.g...

kneeing the guy in the groin and then appling a rear choke...

Yep grappling is overated in the UFC/media and promoted by fans like Jkogas...(who is trying to either convince himself that he has choosen the right path or is trying to promote his dojo or whatever he calls it on this forum) lol

Use stand up grappling to compliment your stand up game and your opponent will have a hard time taking the fight to the ground...Why? Because you will be controlling him with a lock while stamping at his neck (just and e.g lol)

later man

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#16339 - 12/02/03 09:55 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
MuayThai Offline
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lets keep it nuetral! shotokan picking fights, tut tut tut! John hasnt said anything thats lies its just the way he says it! lol, no offense John ya mad man.

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#16340 - 12/02/03 09:59 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
Anonymous
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K I'll take that

maybe he should take a course on how to say things without offending anybody....Speech-101 lol

[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif[/IMG]

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#16341 - 12/02/03 10:29 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
charles mckey Offline
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Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 1368
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shotokan:
maybe he should take a course on how to say things without offending anybody....Speech-101 [/QUOTE]

I can think of a bunch of people I'd consider more in need of it than JKogas...

[IMG]http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif[/IMG]

[This message has been edited by charles mckey (edited 12-02-2003).]

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#16342 - 12/02/03 11:50 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
elleTKD Offline
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Registered: 11/06/03
Posts: 236
Loc: USA
Don't get me wrong, I think small people should take a grappling art. But i think they should learn a striking art first, because for smaller people those are going to be the most effective in a street scenario.

Maybe if they became super great at grappling they could do that, but no fight is going to start on the ground.

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#16343 - 12/04/03 09:35 AM Re: Best fighting style for small, light people?
Anonymous
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CHIN-NA (Chinese fast wrestling)

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