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#162429 - 06/30/05 08:27 AM Jujitsu Take Downs?
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While training last night Shihan had us try and do take downs from the standing position. Either we had to shoot for the leg or body style pick up & dump your uke. Some of the guys were trying the take downs from the clinch and other from the shoot. I was being neck cranked way to much because when I went for the shoot my head/face was downward instead of looking up, so I was told. OK I'll try to face up more but my big question for all the jujitsu guys that shoot, do you shoot to the outside (your right shoulder to ukes right leg)or do you feel more comfortable going straight in for the pick up & dump? Or please tell me how you take your opponent down from the standing position to grappling.
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#162430 - 06/30/05 08:39 AM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: schanne]
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Clinch O-Goshi, Uki-Goshi, Osoto-Gari, shoulder lock takedown and some others. That's just the white belt syllabus. The takedowns are basically the same as Judo takedowns in my style of JJ but modified to work with no Gi.
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#162431 - 06/30/05 08:42 AM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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What take down do you use the most, we train with gi in our regular classes but the competition team guys train with out their gi's.
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#162432 - 06/30/05 08:46 AM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: schanne]
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I do not like single or double leg take downs for the exact reason you mentioned...exposes your neck and it is easy to counter. Worst case you get the guard which is not a dominate position.
The takdowns that I do are situational. If my opponent is upright I like yoko otoshi and other variations. If my opponent is crouch, I like a throw we do that secures the neck and or belt and kicks over your opponent.Similar to Judo's Sumi-geshi. I do not advocate throws or takedowns that expose your back or neck. In any takedown your goal is to get the dominate position. The guard is not a dominate postion.
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#162433 - 06/30/05 08:53 AM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: schanne]
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Actually, I think the 'specialty' of my Dojo in Scotland is lock-takedowns. It's very common to see someone put into a hammerlock then taken down with a sweep from that position, although other throws are trained. In Singapore, the favourite throw is probably Osoto-Gari but as you advance rank, of course, the throws get more complex. We train much more on throws rather than standing locks here.
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#162434 - 06/30/05 09:03 AM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: Ed Glasheen]
schanne Offline
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Thanks Ed, Leo ....need to work more on my yoko otoshi to perfect my take down better.....good stuff.
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#162435 - 06/30/05 09:55 AM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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"The takedowns are basically the same as Judo takedowns in my style of JJ but modified to work with no Gi."- Leo_E_49

thats the way to go.
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#162436 - 06/30/05 11:11 AM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: Legend of the Hungry Wolf]
schanne Offline
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I suppose if your going to compete but just for the regular guy that goes to class and just wants to learn Jujitsu, plus I never had to fight a guy with out his clothes on, well there was this one time...never mind
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#162437 - 06/30/05 03:26 PM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: schanne]
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The twist in SD throws using my style of JJ which makes them different from Judo is that we do not rely on the strength of the Gi material or the lapel for throwing. This means I can throw someone wearing a t-shirt as easily as someone wearing a Gi. It's body-grappling, similar to wrestling but with a Japanese flair to it.
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#162438 - 07/01/05 02:04 PM Re: Jujitsu Take Downs? [Re: Leo_E_49]
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You must do a lot of waist & hip throws?
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