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#161566 - 06/28/05 05:41 PM Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results
FitnessFreak Offline
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Registered: 06/28/05
Posts: 40
Loc: Ireland, Leinster
Hi, I am hoping someone here can help me.
I am 6' and 11 stone (154lb), and somewhat of a hard-gainer.

About a year ago I decided I needed to bulk up.
But due to limited time I never got around to joining a gym.

The only exercises I do are bodyweight exercises (push-ups, sit-ups, chin-ups, tricep dips etc.) and a lot of running.

Now, one year later, any muscles I hade are a lot more toned/defined but I have not put on any weight or gotten much stronger even thought I now look it.

Since I have a low body-fat it is easier for muscles to show through. But if I want to get stronger should I ditch the body-weight exercises and start using weights, or is there an alternative.

I have set routine for different parts of body on different days and running on different days.

I have not changed my diet or anything, should I do something about this aswell ?

Result: I look stronger without actually being stronger.

Where did I go wrong?

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#161567 - 06/28/05 06:48 PM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: FitnessFreak]
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Registered: 05/24/05
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Ok first of all don't label yourself a hardgainer when you haven't actually done anything to put on mass.

Ditch the bodyweight exercises and go with weights.

If you don't eat more you won't gain weight.
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#161568 - 06/28/05 08:51 PM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: FitnessFreak]
knightcommander Offline
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ROFL.

Bodyweight exercises will not put any muscle on you. It may make your nervour system stronger, but it doesn nothing for muscle mass.

Why do you think Charles Atlas got Prosecuted for fraud after claiming he got as big as he was doing his crappy bodyweight exercises.

Progressive poundages in perfect form is how you get big. That and eat big.

Join a gym, and start using the weights.
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#161569 - 06/28/05 09:00 PM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: knightcommander]
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Registered: 06/18/05
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Loc: Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Quote:

ROFL.

Bodyweight exercises will not put any muscle on you. It may make your nervour system stronger, but it doesn nothing for muscle mass.

Why do you think Charles Atlas got Prosecuted for fraud after claiming he got as big as he was doing his crappy bodyweight exercises.

Progressive poundages in perfect form is how you get big. That and eat big.

Join a gym, and start using the weights.




Well said, BW exercises are designed for muscles memory and endurance nothing to do with muscle mass. Combined with running and you say lots of running its counter productive as far as mass and strength.

Yes you can combine both, but its through weights and running.
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#161570 - 06/29/05 12:25 AM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: madmattg]
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To be fair you can put weight on with dips, pullups, and some other exercises. The knee-jerk backlash against bodyweight exercises some people have is just as silly a position as the one of those who hold them to be the one and only form of exercise.
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#161571 - 06/29/05 02:38 AM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: FitnessFreak]
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Registered: 11/15/04
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Fitnessfreak,

try making your bodyweight exercises harder (therefore requiring more strength) by altering the exercises.

pushups try doing them on one leg. Or elevate your legs, ie your legs on your bed - hands on the floor. When either of these are too easy combine the two.

Also look at these sites for ideas.

http://www.trainforstrength.com/index.shtml
http://www.combatfitness.co.uk/
http://www.cbass.com/Pavel%27sLadders.htm
http://bodybuildbid.com/articles/miscellan/workwoutwts.html
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#161572 - 06/29/05 07:01 AM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: Meanstreak]
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Registered: 07/22/04
Posts: 2510
Loc: UK
I agree with Meanstreak. The idea that bodywieght exercises cannot be used to gain muscle is wrong.

The reason few people gain size with BW is that theyn train easy exercises, e.g. push ups, for long periods of time. This in not good for strength.

However, using weights is just using large resistance, there's nothing about the weights themselves that make you gain muscle, just the resistance they cause. So it is possible to gain weight using your own body as resistance. Try for instance, one-arm, one-leg push-ups. Or maybe one leg squats. Then try elevating your legs for one-arm push-ups. There are millions of ways to increase resistance for BW exercises.

Here's the downside though: With weights you have far more control over how much weight you lift- it is more scientific and more quantifiable. BW excersises, although being pretty good, do not have the same efficiency as weight lifting, since you cannot isolate muscle groups easily.

BUT... If you want functuional strength, then I think BW exercises are the only way to go. They get your brain used to utilizing all the muscles in your body for a desired action, unlike weights, which while building muscle, do not do that much for functional strength.

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#161573 - 06/29/05 09:31 AM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: FitnessFreak]
Cord Offline
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Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
Quote:

Hi, I am hoping someone here can help me.
I am 6' and 11 stone (154lb), and somewhat of a hard-gainer.

About a year ago I decided I needed to bulk up.
But due to limited time I never got around to joining a gym.

The only exercises I do are bodyweight exercises (push-ups, sit-ups, chin-ups, tricep dips etc.) and a lot of running...

Where did I go wrong?




Bodyweight exercises are not the best way to increase strength or mass. Lots of running and bodyweight work on a naturaly 'skinny' frame will give you what you have, a wiry defined look ( a bit like Iggy Pop ),

You need to join a reputable gym, get good quality instruction on basic lifts (squat, bench press, deadlifts, cleans, shrugs), moderate your cardio work so as to allow for a change in emphasis in your training, and start eating in such a way as to provide your body with the nutrition it needs to change in the way you wish.

If it is important to you, you will find/make the time to achieve your goals.
Good luck
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#161574 - 06/30/05 10:37 AM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: Cord]
SkInHoUnD Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 310
Loc: Canada
I did pushups for a long time to work my chest, it bulked me up nicely but only so far, and it didnt give me the well roundedness in my pecs that benchpresses give. Most noteworthy though was what happened to my tricps...they exploded and became rock solid where they were very weak and invisible before. As time went on i'd do pushups with someones feat resting on my back but still no dynamic results. So it works to a degree. If your muscle is weak in a particular area i'd suggest begining with bodyweight before going onto weights.

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#161575 - 06/30/05 10:39 AM Re: Bodyweight Exercises - No Real Results [Re: Supremor]
knightcommander Offline
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Registered: 09/13/04
Posts: 150
Loc: Australia
Quote:

I agree with Meanstreak. The idea that bodywieght exercises cannot be used to gain muscle is wrong.

The reason few people gain size with BW is that theyn train easy exercises, e.g. push ups, for long periods of time. This in not good for strength.

However, using weights is just using large resistance, there's nothing about the weights themselves that make you gain muscle, just the resistance they cause. So it is possible to gain weight using your own body as resistance. Try for instance, one-arm, one-leg push-ups. Or maybe one leg squats. Then try elevating your legs for one-arm push-ups. There are millions of ways to increase resistance for BW exercises.

Here's the downside though: With weights you have far more control over how much weight you lift- it is more scientific and more quantifiable. BW excersises, although being pretty good, do not have the same efficiency as weight lifting, since you cannot isolate muscle groups easily.

BUT... If you want functuional strength, then I think BW exercises are the only way to go. They get your brain used to utilizing all the muscles in your body for a desired action, unlike weights, which while building muscle, do not do that much for functional strength.




Thats exactly what Charles Atlas tried to say. He got prosecuted for fraud.

Training with weights is alot more practical than trying to do handstand one handed pushups.
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