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#160367 - 06/26/05 02:50 PM Re: Fighting [Re: JKogas]
MAGr Offline
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You can choke someone to death with your bear hands can you not?

We do chop strikes and my partner and I also do iron palm training. Do you think that if I can break a slab of concrete on a bad day (with no preparation) I cant break someones adams apple? Gimme a break,
I am not saying that the opportunity will always arise for a throat strike, but it might and I can take it.

Why is it so hard to believe that you can kill someone with your hands? What about breaking someones neck is that also just in the movies?

Its not the deadly art that some people make it out to be but just because you dont train in moves that kill dont believe the hype. Some stuff is lethal and once someone is dizzy/dissorientated its not that hard to do.

I dont train to score points, I train to save my life, and although sports MAs can defend themselves and probably even win against non sports MAs and even be more effective, they dont train in those moves, so how can you judge if its not what you do?

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#160368 - 06/26/05 04:42 PM Re: Fighting [Re: MAGr]
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Technically, killing someone is pretty easy. Doing it accidentally is also pretty possible, especially if you get carried away. How many people really consider what they are doing when they have a fight and are scared or 'adrenalised'?

Doing it deliberately, now that is a different situation.
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#160369 - 06/26/05 06:30 PM Re: Fighting [Re: MAGr]
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You can choke someone to death with your bear hands can you not?




Sure. But it takes a minute or so.

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We do chop strikes and my partner and I also do iron palm training. Do you think that if I can break a slab of concrete on a bad day (with no preparation) I cant break someones adams apple?




I do. The lack of correlation between breaking construction materials and fighting an actual human being and the total failure of such people to actually win a fight is well documented.

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Why is it so hard to believe that you can kill someone with your hands?




Because, contrary to what your sensei has told you, human beings are not made of paper.

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I dont train to score points, I train to save my life, and although sports MAs can defend themselves and probably even win against non sports MAs and even be more effective, they dont train in those moves, so how can you judge if its not what you do?




Another fallacy. I don't need to have studied at a yellow bamboo academy to know it's BS.
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#160370 - 06/26/05 06:46 PM Re: Fighting [Re: Ubermint]
MAGr Offline
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It would take you two minutes to choke someone??
You are pretty crap mate!

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The lack of correlation between breaking construction materials and fighting an actual human being and the total failure of such people to actually win a fight is well documented.





Really? Its well documented, then please do show me the evidence. O throat strike is just as quick as a punch, and if you read m post rather than try to argue against it for the sake of it, you will find that I say that hits are always opportunistic and you cant tell if you will be able to do a throat strike, but you train in whatever you train, and I train in whatever I train, why is it so hard for you to comprehend that I can perform my techniques as well as you can?

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Because, contrary to what your sensei has told you, human beings are not made of paper.



I could say that contrary to what your sensei has told you, you are not as hard as you think! There are places called vital spots, which are far better documented then your "experience".

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Another fallacy. I don't need to have studied at a yellow bamboo academy to know it's BS.



So are you saying that a throat strike is as unlikely as a chi ball? Do you want to perform the test? How bout you stand and I ll deliver a chop on your adams apple and we ll see if you are alive after a few minutes. I can guaranee you we wont need three tries.
There is a slight difference between what I am learning and what the yellow bamboo is teaching. Many martial arts styles have chops to the throat as a technique, do you think that they are all wrong or that they havent been tested aver all these years and YOU our savior has come to show us the light!

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#160371 - 06/26/05 07:32 PM Re: Fighting [Re: Ubermint]
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If you think it takes a minute or so to choke someone,you are not studying very effective chokes.It is possible to apply a "blood choke" on a resisting opponent and have them out in seconds.

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#160372 - 06/26/05 07:43 PM Re: Fighting [Re: Neb]
Fangshendo Offline
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I will walk away from a fight if possible.If I cannot walk away,I will fight with as much intensity as I can.Hopefully I will be more intense and more forceful than the person I am fighting.I do not want to match force for force,I want to always use overwhelming force.

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#160373 - 06/26/05 07:47 PM Re: Fighting [Re: Fangshendo]
MAGr Offline
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I understand what you are saying and I agree, but after you have succeded in gaining the upper hand, that is when you need to exercise control.

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#160374 - 06/26/05 08:29 PM Re: Fighting [Re: DefenselessChild]
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I don't think myself or ubermint was referring to anyone PHYSICAL ability to kill but more the ability to mentally go through with it. Anyone is capable of taking a life physically but fewer are able to make the conscious decision to kill someone and go through with it than they think. So many people are quick to say "i'd kill someone if they attacked me with a knife" when in all actuality they would most likely freeze up and do nothing. I wasn't arguing ubermint's point because he is right. I was making a point that there is no way he could know something about people he has never met that they themselves don't know and that the tone of his post was uncalled for.
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#160375 - 06/27/05 12:54 AM Re: Fighting [Re: laf7773]
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Ubermint, it is possible to kill a person with your bare hands. Not as likely as hollywood would have you believe, but still possible. Punch someone hard enough in the temple and you could kill them. And considering the difference in strength between a person's adam's apple/larynx and concrete slabs, a throat strike can indeed be deadly. Now, to the point of your personal attacks against members of the forum. That is prohibited in the rules, and when a mod gets named to this forum, I guarantee your posts will be deleted, as MAGr is currently the front runner for the position, and any other candidate is likely to be on good terms with him.

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#160376 - 06/27/05 05:00 AM Re: Fighting [Re: laf7773]
MAGr Offline
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Laf,
Mentally I would never go through with it. I dont think I could kill someone under ANY circumstances, and however much I lost control. We have had many people quitting after a while because the fighting concepts were too violent 'chops, breaks etc', but what I always used to tell them is that the nature is not violent, and that the people in my school are the most peacfull you will find. Just because we know that we can do it doesnt mean we will. Some people will, but the thing that I have been taught in MAs over all the fighting concepets, is mercy .
That is what you learn at the same time, and what everyone who knows martial arts should practice.

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