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#311111 - 03/26/07 02:56 PM Re: Motobu Udon-ti [Re: Rob_Rivers]
medulanet Offline
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Quote:

As was said, there is a reason a lot of Senior Okinawan stylists make the transition to Motobu Ryu.




And there is also a reason that Matsumura altered the original Udundi he knew to create "modern" karate as well.

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#311112 - 03/26/07 03:53 PM Re: Motobu Udon-ti [Re: medulanet]
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Pretty funny... I didn't know you could see my swinging pocket watch.

There is no video of resistance or non-compliance as this is not a part of the system. You are not going to have much resistance with weapons...at least in the context of classical attacks. One commits to one or two swings and that is it. There is no compliance either...you kill the guy when he tries to kill you.

In dealing with unarmed resistance...it is going to work the same way as Jujutsu. A wrist lock, for example, is not going to work if someone is resisting it (like making a tight fist). There needs to be metsubushi...a distraction.

The thing to understand is that this is classical bujutsu...it is period oriented with that period being pre-1871 (when the King was deposed to Japan) and quite situational. If you are asking about two combatants entangled and wrestling over a knife or something you are not going to see it as this was not the purpose of the art. We can do it but it is not a regular part of the curriculum. Everything is principle based...you have the techniques and the principles...you should be able to modify everything to fit even modern situations. Multiple attackers who are armed and attacking from a distance (not right next to you) is the primary focus.

Regards

Rob

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#311113 - 03/26/07 03:59 PM Re: Motobu Udon-ti [Re: medulanet]
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Agreed. If he were still around, we might all be able to learn the why of it all. But, our best alternative is to learn a Matsumura influenced system( Shorin Ryu, Chibana ha for example) and then take a peek at the Udundi taught by someone who knows some of the orthodox training (a lot of bunkai practiced by any Okinawan Shuri te line is heavily influenced by Udundi) not just general kata bunkai training.

There is definitely a lot out there. Glad to hear everyone is interested in the history as well as the actual techniques.

Rob

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#311114 - 04/28/07 08:50 PM Motobu Udon-ti [Re: Rob_Rivers]
Victor Smith Offline
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Just found some new material on Undun-ti.

Motobu Udun Ti Okinawa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybsHxY638WM
Karate, Bogu Kumite, Udundi
Okinawan karate at Kodokai Dojo with techniques of Ryukyu Kenpo, Udun Ti and bogu Kumite. Branchaud Sensei was a student of Seikichi Odo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpiugDHntlU&mode=related&search=
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victor smith bushi no te isshinryu offering free instruction for 30 years

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#311115 - 04/29/07 12:33 PM Re: Motobu Udon-ti [Re: Victor Smith]
ThunderboltLotus Offline
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Registered: 03/14/07
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Loc: Cornwall, Great Britain
Alongside the Kodokai via the Seidokan Okinawa there are also:-

Kiyohiko Higa of the Bugeikan in Okinawa

Matsuo Kanenori Sakon and a few others in Japan

Chosei Motobu (the official headmaster) in Japan whom Robert Rivers and others in America and Hawai (I believe) are associated with.

Boulahfa Mimoun of Spain via Seikichi Uehara/ Shian Toma

Augustin Rossendi of Argentina via Kiyonori Shiroma of Okinawa

Mark Bishop is doing a course in Sweden for the Gensei ryu group

Myself alongside a few others(?) in the U.K.

This art (and each teacher interpretation) is finally reaching the world stage. Whether it takes off and is warmly embraced (or even if the above or any I ve missed off – I believe there is also a group in Columbia – do or will actually teach it) is another matter.

In this age of cage fighting on the one side and kata centred karate on the other this truly remains to be seen.

Warm regards
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Michael Powell

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