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#159088 - 06/30/05 05:08 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: McSensei]
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Alone with the other comments mawashi-uke is a continued concept of the not so obvious as in the wraping of most movements in the kata at the begining they only appear to b preparation for a defensive move, when in reality the entire move is a strike with a check/block the hand moving away is the striking hand and the hand coming back is the checking hand and what was once a block now a strike or block and the strong obvious strike or block/strike is now the power move.

The Mashi-uke is closest obvious example of were this can be seen, it offense and defense within its entire motion. It is deflecting,blocking, checking, trapping, locking, tearing, poking, clawing, palming or grasping, or reverse of this. Pending how it is used or interpetted. It is the essence of Fukine's White Tiger/Crane/Monk/5 ancestor boxing or soft style Ju in Goju.
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#159089 - 07/01/05 11:45 AM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: Victor Smith]
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It can break arms, slam someone's face into the ground, KO them while they're standing, crunch ribs, cause a great deal of pain, and I'm just getting warmed up...




OK, I'm sold. Can someone describe this universal mangler to me? I'm not even sure what an uchi uke is, let alone how to put them all together.
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#159090 - 07/01/05 02:41 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: Ironfoot]
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Describe this technique? I'll leave that to someone with more time on their hands. Briefly though, it's a circular "block" performed with both hands that travel through 540 degrees.
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#159091 - 07/01/05 03:39 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: Ironfoot]
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Ironfoot,

I am only familiar with it through Kyokushin and Ashihara karate which do it differently. I have also seen it performed in Goju.

The translated name would be "roundhouse" block or "windmill" parry.

The starting positions that I have seen are variously similar to having one arm presented as a finished soto-uke or uichi-uke while the other hand is either beneath the elbow, or in some cases above the blocking hand's shoulder.

The soto-uke/ uichi-uke hand moves around toward the body side in a circular fashion going downward as if doing a hooking geidanburai, while the other hand moves upward cicularly as if doing a motion similar to a jodan-uke. These hands are rotating in the same direction and end up in a mirror image of the starting position, but now on the other side.

I hope this sort of helps.

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#159092 - 07/01/05 06:21 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: McSensei]
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540 degrees




each hand does about a 270, so I guess if you add them up thats 540...just wanted to clearify.

(if each hand did 540, that would be the karate kid 'wax on-wax off' drill )

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#159093 - 07/01/05 09:17 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: Kintama]
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The version of this block that my club practices, each hand travels 540.
Starting position; Upper hand pushed out level with armpit, palm facing out with elbow close to body pointing to floor.
Lower hand pushed out from hip, palm facing out with forearm parallel to floor and elbow tucked into body.
Movement; Upper hand sweeps out and down performing gedan uke. Lower hand sweeps out and up performing soto uke.
The hands continue their circular motion crossing back to back in the centre of the body. Original upper hand now sweeps up again to perform uchi uke. Original lower hand sweeps down to perform gedan barai. OUH now sweeps down to hip, OLH sweeps up to armpit and push hands out to a reversed starting position.
We have practiced a shorter version of this block where it appears in certain kata.
Maybe Mr. Miyagi had something after all???
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Edited by McSensei (07/01/05 09:22 PM)
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#159094 - 07/01/05 09:58 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: McSensei]
Kintama Offline
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Not that this is really important - If I imagined what you described...that is 270 per hand.

here is a clear video (I not sure why mr lyons demonstrates it this badly in the video though, I've seen him demonstrate much better...a few technical mistakes - shoulders coming way up being the most obvious):
http://www.all-karate.com/vt_tora_guchi.php

watch one hand. trace a line. each hand goes 3/4 of a circle. stopping at the strike.

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#159095 - 07/01/05 10:56 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: Ironfoot]
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Ironfoot-
Its essentially the "wa uke" set of circular blocks/thrusts one performs at the end of Isshinryu's Sanchin.

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#159096 - 07/01/05 11:08 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: shukokaichap]
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always wondered why Itosu never included it in the pinan / heian series when he was devising them, as it can be a bit of a hard technique to grasp when first learning it.
Is there any obvious reason that I'm missing?




I'm thinking that since its found primarily in Goju/Naha influenced styles one wouldn't see it in the basic forms of Shorinryu. One finds a similar concept in the Bassai and Kusanku series. It's not as visibly common as a yoko geri or a soto uke, for example. But you can see it towards the end of this version of kusanku ...
Please feel free to educate me if I'm missing something.


Edited by shorthair (07/01/05 11:25 PM)

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#159097 - 07/02/05 03:13 PM Re: Kata Mawashi Uke [Re: Kintama]
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Tried to look at the vid but after hours of trying to download software to view it, I am told that my comp doesn't have enough memory. (whatever that means)
If you look at one hand though, say the upper hand, it travels a full circle and then down to the hip.( In the version we practice.)
Ok, maybe not quite 540 but certainly 360, plus another say, 90? = 450.
As I have said though, I have used a shorter version in kata
where the hands only travel 270.

PS the karate kid comment had me rolling about
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