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#302006 - 11/17/06 07:53 AM Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight Sci
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dDOvPZEXwc

Who hits hardest?

This is an experiment from the great National Geographic show "Fight Science".

In this test, they have practioners from Muay Thai, Karate, TKD, and Kung Fu all striking a crash test dummy that has been wired up with sensors by impact engineers and physicists to measure the force of their strikes.

Some interesting results. TKD kick, for instance, generated 1500 odd lbs of force, more than enough to break bones and damgae organs.

Guess who won though???


P.S. I also love the way the flashiest kick was the least effective!
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#302007 - 11/17/06 08:06 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight Sci [Re: Prizewriter]
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Talk about apples and oranges! Hey, maybe us karate guys should start using spinning back kicks like the TKD people and knees like MT, huh? Wait a minute....one of the 8 basic kicks taught in my style IS a knee strike. Hmmmm.
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#302008 - 11/17/06 08:21 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight Sci [Re: Prizewriter]
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I can view Youtube I don't seem to be able to get access

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#302009 - 11/17/06 08:33 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight Sci [Re: Dobbersky]
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Seems ok still. Go on to youtube.com and search for 'fight science kick ko'
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#302010 - 11/17/06 08:47 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight [Re: Prizewriter]
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Seeing how much force that spinning back kick delivers makes me understand why MMA guys like GSP and Cung Le use it in their fights. Remember the spinning back kick that GSP gave to Matt Hughes last time, that was no flashy kick.

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#302011 - 11/17/06 10:31 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight [Re: Prizewriter]
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Quote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dDOvPZEXwc

Who hits hardest?

This is an experiment from the great National Geographic show "Fight Science".

In this test, they have practioners from Muay Thai, Karate, TKD, and Kung Fu all striking a crash test dummy that has been wired up with sensors by impact engineers and physicists to measure the force of their strikes.

Some interesting results. TKD kick, for instance, generated 1500 odd lbs of force, more than enough to break bones and damgae organs.

Guess who won though???


P.S. I also love the way the flashiest kick was the least effective!




Force= mass * acceleration (or mass * speed^2)
The program fails to take into account the fact that the different fighters had significantly different masses (expecialy compare the Kung Fu guy and the Muay Thai guy).

Furthermore it doesn't take into account things like range, speed, accuracy, comboing, potential targets, defensability, etc.

Don't get me wrong, comparing raw power is an important thing. I just feel that it's important to take other factors into consideration as well.

However, it was cool seeing the different techniques. What was the punch that the Kung Fu guy did, I've got to learn that one.

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#302012 - 11/17/06 10:34 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight Sci [Re: Prizewriter]
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"Fight Science" was a terrible show---little science and A LOT of "show."

Using the term "science" is less than correct.

They didn't even use a control group--would have been easy to use the guys running machines.

At best all it did was match a SINGLE group of people--5-6 guys comes nowhere close to sampling.

There are some serious errors made in the manner the tests themselves were conducted.


Edited by cxt (11/17/06 10:37 AM)
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#302013 - 11/17/06 10:43 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight [Re: cxt]
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its gay they also use the whole banana tree myth for thai fighters
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#302014 - 11/17/06 10:45 AM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight [Re: cxt]
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I'd say that fight science is a lot better than most MA documentaries (heck, they had Rickson Gracie on the show). I only wish they'd not been so unbalanced about the whole thing and actually picked representatives of the martial arts who could be compared to one another. The roided TKD guy wasn't a great representative of the tenets of TKD if you ask me. Some of the stuff he said was rediculous ( like a bo being used to deflect arrows??? ). The whole thing was very TKD biased, they even let the guy use a katana and he twirled the thing like a baton! TKD is an empty handed MA, what the heck is he doing with a bo and a katana?

There are plenty of MA documentaries worse than fight science but it could have been way better than it was. At least the force measurements were accurate, but that doesn't say much about the actual arts. (Poor Kung Fu guy threw himself at the target and still did less force than the roided TKD guy)


Edited by Leo_E_49 (11/17/06 10:46 AM)
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#302015 - 11/17/06 12:36 PM Re: Karate vs TKD vs. Muay Thai vs. Kung Fu Fight [Re: Leo_E_49]
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I enjoyed the show. I thought was more interested in the steak than the sizzle though. I found some of the sensationlist claims wayyyyyy tooo much.

But in terms of the actual factual evidence, it was a good show. It showed you how much strain MA's can put on their own bodies, but also their targets bodies.

I admit that all things were not equal. TKD guy looked way bigger than Kung Fu guy for instance. But he also looked way bigger than the Muay Thai guy.

And if though kicking banana trees 1000 times a day was OTT, you should avoid the Ninjutsu section of the show...


But at least it gave some interesting factual data, which is what my post was about, not all the hyperbole surronding the arts. I think most of us here are sensible enough not to believe that side of the show.
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