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#157771 - 06/22/05 02:55 PM Re: A story reflecting the teacher-student relationshi [Re: MAGr]
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Registered: 05/15/05
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Personally I agree with you and I've been lucky enough to train with guys who have been helpful in suggesting other trainers when I have trained away or have been willing to write a letter of introduction should I find a club where I would be a new, unknown. Likewise, the receiving clubs have treated me very welland usually allowed me to wear my belt and/or association uniform (in the case of things like TKD).

My old TKD sabum once asked me why I hadn't been to the club for a while. I apologised for not training but I had been doing a theatre play and had a lot of rehearsals. He asked what it entailed. I said it involved memorising routines and words, rehearsing them again and again and keeping at it until you got it right, both yourself and your partners in the work. He shrugged, "I thought you said you hadn't been training! Just cos it isn't kicking and pounching, it doesn't mean it isn't training."
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#157772 - 06/23/05 04:22 AM Re: A story reflecting the teacher-student relationshi [Re: trevek]
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I agree with the story to an extent.

When you think about it, a key factor in this story is the student. He was determined, and made a long journey, he was dedicated, and had an ambition to train under the master. This is where the story forks.

I agree with this story in terms of such a determined student, like a disciple. I think it is a bit more difficult to apply it to modern times, as students come and go. Now, martial arts, to some people, means a twice a week work out at your local rec center. Not something you neccessarily take home with you, or live as a lifestyle. Many people are just there to give it a try. I don't think there is anything wrong with this.

This is also where I (very strictly) define "Martial Artist" from "Martial Arts Practitioner"
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#157773 - 06/24/05 09:01 PM Re: A story reflecting the teacher-student relationshi [Re: Chang Wufei]
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Its a shame that its been reduced to that. I hate to go into a school where the students arent passionate about what they are doing.

The student was a major element to the story; as you suggested. If he had just a "passing interest" he would have came and gone long before earning the older mans trust and respect. The story speaks about the relationship between the two and about the students dedication but it also refers to a moral obligation a instructor has in knowing that the person he has given the martial skill to isnt likely to use for purposes other than defence.
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#157774 - 06/30/05 07:01 AM Re: A story reflecting the teacher-student relationshi [Re: Chen Zen]
Chang Wufei Offline
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I agree, it is a shame. But what's worse than seeing students with no ambition, are students with no interest. I have seen more of those recently, there are a few students around here who have told me they absolutely hate being here, but their parent(s), usually the father, won't allow them to quit.

It's really sad.
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#157775 - 08/02/05 12:53 PM Student-teacher dynamic [Re: Chang Wufei]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
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Another contribution to think about on this topic.

"The day that I recognized my teacher as a Buddha, that was when I understood the nature of my own mind."

-Milarepa

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#157776 - 09/02/05 04:53 AM Re: A story reflecting the teacher-student relationshi [Re: Chen Zen]
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Your opening story brings to mind the largely eastern custom of arranged marriages, which are still going on now in some parts of Asia.

It is found that arranged marriages very rarely end in divorces; when interviewed, the main reason seems to be, the couple falls in love AFTER they got married and have the rest of their lives appreciating each other.

In the so-called 'love marriages' where they fell in love in an extended courtship before they got married, by the time they are married, familial coolness has already set in.

I am not sure how this ties in with your story about the oldman and the student getting to know and appreciate each other in a gradual natural process of living together, but it just seems to me there is a connection somewhere.

I count this as my first off topic post; I'll never do it again, until the next time
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