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#166863 - 08/09/05 01:08 PM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time? [Re: dadoody5]
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When you work out all the time, you do gain a lot of energy.

You should try working out on a regular basis and ask the question again.

Also, Bruce Lee might have over done things at times. Remember, he suffered from severe back pain due to not stretching properly and was always in pain. He also died very young.




he died young from an extreme asprin allergy not from poor stretching. i suppose the chewing weed didn't help near the end.
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#166864 - 08/09/05 02:36 PM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time? [Re: funstick5000]
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Ahh, fun

They guy DID NOT say he died from poor streaching, he said he was in pain from not streaching properly.

If your going to pick fights and be a pain, then at least get the posts correct.

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#166865 - 08/10/05 10:41 AM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time? [Re: cxt]
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sorry i apologise, i must have read the post too fast and thought it said something like 'he was in pain from poor stretching and died young'. my bad, i should really learn to read things through.
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#166866 - 08/10/05 10:35 PM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time? [Re: GojuRyuboy13]
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Well the way i put it is that bruce lee had nothing else to do expect for work out and if you keep doing one thing again and again, you just get perfect at that certian thing

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#166867 - 08/11/05 09:09 PM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time? [Re: awais786]
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Lee got his back injury while doing good mornings with more than 2/3 of his bodyweight.

And he probably died of neplalese marihuana overdose, not from painkiller. This has been confirmed by two of his doctors. So there.

He DID strech a lot, his back injury was a result of poor warm up procedure before the exercice. Word is that he forgot that only at that particular day. It is also worth noting that he used more weights than what is recommended today in his good morning.

As for his energy, I bet he had some sort of ADHD syndrome to cope with, it would explain his other tendencies as well...


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#166868 - 08/12/05 09:12 AM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time? [Re: Neonomide]
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And he probably died of neplalese marihuana overdose, not from painkiller. This has been confirmed by two of his doctors. So there.




it depends on what bio you read. mine says the doctors said he had an extreme asprin allergy which is the offical cause of his death but a lot of doctors dispute it. it will be pointless arguing about this so lets agree to dis agree then
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#166869 - 08/12/05 11:02 AM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time? [Re: funstick5000]
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Neither aspirin nor marijuana have been confirmed as cause of Mr Lee's death. There was no autopsy, and no ruling by the Coroner on cause of death, that is why it is still a topic of argument such as this.
Simple truth is no one will ever know. Much better to concentrate on the mans life and his contribution to the MA than on his death.
Actually, devote some energy into learning about Dan Inosanto, It could easily be argued that he has done more for the 'concept' of JKD and the validity of MMA than Bruce was able to during his lifetime.
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#166870 - 08/16/05 11:22 AM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time [Re: Cord]
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Sorry to derail a bit, but I think one valid argument regarding Lee's death is that HK's politicians knew his real cause of death and chose to lie in favour of public well-being. Just too many teenage Lee-fans would have done the "Jim Morrison thing", presumably. But I digress.

Inosanto surely is of great importance because his role in preserving and evolving JKD, but almost no-one has denied the role of primus motor in this case. It is (a bit) like the relationship of Jesus and Paul in Christianity.
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#166871 - 08/16/05 11:41 AM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time [Re: Neonomide]
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There is a growing body of research that suggests that one of the ways in which people express their anger or denial about a tragedy is to seek out nefarious plots and comspiracies to explain or mitigate the pain of loss. The more monumental the loss the more monumental the conspiracy. For instance, in the well-known Kennedy Assassination the routine suppression and loss of information that goes on in any investigation suddenly took on new and sinister meaning. Add to this the political and national security implications of actually HAVING a president killed and suddenly there are all sorts of theories. The same is true of Bruce Lee. He was a national level pop icon. His death rocked way too many boats. Therefore it only follows that his death must have been as gothic in its tragedy as his larger-than-life image was in its public success. Marilyn Monroe was a larger-than-life sex kitten so it only followed that her death would have sexual and self-destructive overtones. Old soldiers go out with dignified martial bearing, while old politicians go out in a chorus of community love.

BTW: We don't KNOW that Bruce Lee had "so much energy" all the time. We only have the reports of people around him. To my way of thinking he probably had the same training regimine that any decent golden gloves boxer had. Then add on the moderating influence of a shooting schedule. FWIW.

Best Wishes,

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#166872 - 08/17/05 07:02 PM Re: How did Bruce have so much energy all the time [Re: glad2bhere]
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I hear you and I'm fascinated by your great analysis on cultural phenomena regarding these myths of important people. I just like use my brains a bit, even though I know it is somewhat irrevelant concerning Lee's heritage to the MA world. But it might tell something about his process and choices that influenced him. IF it wasn't a death by misadventure.

As for his cause of death, please read this: http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/death.html

As for Lee's great energy, I also would suggest people to read his stuff and hear comments from people that really trained with him, instead of just hypothesing on the subject. He had this thing going from very early age, so his nickname was "never stays still". It's certainly a great motivational life story, no doubt about it. He also lived the life he lived largely because his tremendous energy.

I do not think that people should therefore see him as the ultimate standard in too many things. His unconformistic personal philosophy is especially interesting in that respect, because he always emphazised that "do not duplicate a successful personality, live your life instead to fit your dreams, capabilities and develop yourself without harmful external limits to your progress". His theme of constant growth can be clearly seen in his saying "flowing water never goes stale". Wiseguys have always commented that the idea of an ethical and a individualistic martial artist is a very controversial thing but I think Lee, as a chinese thinker, looked life as a whole. As a system of constant change. He was a very well educated man, who did't think that fighting arts exist for superficialty, like competition. He likened the role of teacher to "a sign pole for a traveller". This can also be seen in his disliking of teaching to large groups of people.

Inosanto btw taught one known finnish martial artist while travelling on the train during night. The student was totally affected by Inosantos working ethic, enthusiasm and need to be sure that his student can apply and really understands what he teaches. He actually told that Inosanto changed his whole thinking about martial arts, even thought they trained only for a relatively short time period. I think most people know to whom Inosanto credits much of his work ethic.

It has been said many times that Lee's training loads weren't so impressive by today's sport science standards. Instead he wanted to test things to fit his needs. So he kind of HAD to overtrain to achieve this. He concentrated his energy on the methods, being an academically educated philosopher. If some sportmen have trained successfully in a certain way, why shouldn' it work for anyone else as well? Were the methods they going to help me or not? How can I know it? How can I measure it? And most importantly, how far human body can go, if the vast limitations of mind are conquered? For Lee, training was the whole process, not just one nice looking and feeling part of it.


Edited by Neonomide (08/17/05 07:09 PM)
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