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#157711 - 06/18/05 05:08 PM A personal preference on Speed or power
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As a martial artist do you seek to have Exceptional speed and moderate power or do you train for power with adequate speed?

Personally, I lean towards speed, seeking to attain power from it.

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#157712 - 06/18/05 09:03 PM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: Chen Zen]
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I go for speed AND power, I can't say that I emphasize one over the other. I guess that speed would be the more important factor of the two, IMO.
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#157713 - 06/18/05 09:53 PM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: MattJ]
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Well, if Force = Mass X Acceleration (and acceleration can be a vector change), you can't really change the mass of your hand and body...better to try to increase acceleration and keep good form.


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#157714 - 06/19/05 01:11 AM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: butterfly]
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Of course you can change your mass, hence weights and cardio to be lean with as much muscle that allows for greatest acc. Therefore you hit as fast as possible with greatest acc your body allows whilst carrying as much of your bodies mass behind it.

Then your have your greatest hit for your body type.
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#157715 - 06/19/05 10:58 AM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: madmattg]
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Madmatt,
I understand what you are saying but I was referring to any particular instance. If the mass of your body and hand is known...now, the only other option is to increase the acceleration of the technique to increase its force.

You can change body weight for a specific future time....but right "now," you have to deal with what you got and the only variable you could possibly change in this equation is the increase in speed over time (acceleration).

I hope that clarifies what I was trying to get across. Of course there is also the implication of making the technique as fluid as possible to maximize the acceleration of your technique.

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#157716 - 06/20/05 06:54 AM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: butterfly]
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Putting on mass, makes the acceleration component of the equation smaller. I am not against lifting weights, I am against pumping up. It slows you down and makes you weaker. I have seen this first hand, where beefy guys come in to class and are so stiff and big that they cant punch unless they take a run up.
I agree that speed is more important, because it allowes you to hit more times and more succesfully and also increases the power of your strike.

There are examples in most sports where power is derived from fluidity of motion and speed of technique rather than relying on brute strength.

Now of course I am not saying that massively built people arent strong..., its just that in my opinion, there should be a balance, and as soon as your technique suffers due to mass, then its time to stop.

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#157717 - 06/23/05 04:31 AM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: Chen Zen]
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Chen Zen, I am about the same as far as my training. I also think its important to learn techniques that aren't as fast, but very powerful. Like comparing a snappy roundhouse kick to a swinging thai kick. The thai kick is slower, but more powerful. Certain techniques are better kept black and white, in my opinion. For example, I wouldn't try to make my thai kick really fast, but in the process lose the power behind it as a result of not turning my waist and body weight into it.
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#157718 - 06/23/05 12:20 PM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: Chang Wufei]
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Dude,

I don't know if you have ever been on the receiving end of a MT round kick. But it is not slow. If you are thinking comparatively speaking with TKD kick and MT, I think it is still very fast and it has never been the "slowness" of a technique that demonstrated its utility, it has always been the need at the moment.

I don't mean to sound disrespectful here, but if you had a choice of making any particular technique faster, or not....why wouldn't you?

-B

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#157719 - 06/23/05 12:33 PM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: butterfly]
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I think I have a problem with the other half of Chang's argument as well.

Snap kicks are not limited in power compared to anything else. Proper mechanics are proper mechanics. I drive my current JKD instructor crazy because I do a "snap" shin kick. He tells me that I am not doing it right (read: MT style), but even he admits that it does not lack power compared to anyone else's.

If you are getting proper weight transfer and target penetration with good speed, you will have an effective strike.
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#157720 - 06/23/05 01:01 PM Re: A personal preference on Speed or power [Re: MattJ]
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I love that snap shin kick. Its great! even if it doesnt reach at times it still distracts enough to whail in with punches. Keep doing it man, the advantages of having it snap as opposed to control are much better.
If I can venture a guess, he asks you to keep it there to control the leg of the attacker? I think you can still block whilst snapping, and in fact you gave me a good idea for my sparring session tonight,: snap, distract, attck with punches!
*sshhhhh.....dont tell my partner*

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