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#156890 - 07/01/05 08:13 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: glad2bhere]
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Very well put.
I agree with everything you just said, and if I would have thought of making my point like that it would have saved me a lot of unnecessary posts.


I want to say, however, that a coach is also a teacher. Invariably my coaches that I have been with have had amazing character building personalities, and I am sure that football coaches for example, are like second fathers to the players.
I would put coaches and teachers together.
Instructors who go from gym to gym teaching some watered down tae bo to the beat of techno are obviously not included!

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#156891 - 07/01/05 03:02 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: MAGr]
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After reading the one thread in the MA talk forum, I've changed my position slightly. Yes, age matters. A 19 year old just does not have the emotional maturity to handle running a business, regardless of whether it's not for profit or the source of income for the teacher. In the 1800s that might have been a different story, but estimates by physicians and such is that within 2-3 generations, American children will be going through the longest period of puberty possible, not even showing full physical maturity until well into their twenties. I could go into all the advantages and disadvantages of this, but the main point is that teenagers are just that, no matter what the law says. And I'm inclined to agree that in many ways, I'm still a "teenager" and am nowhere near mature enough to run my own business.

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#156892 - 07/02/05 11:45 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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I think we are managing to wade through the semantics and get to at least the same idea here wadowoman. Thanks for the insightful comments .

Bushi_no_ki, We are disputing age for teaching here, not running a buisness, but fair enough claim, as I guess most MA instructors will be doing it as their buisness. Magr, I think you will have a hard time sticking by your claim that "In the real world, older people in ANY profession are more experienced and more mature and just plain better." Would you like to explain this one?

What about rugby for example, does this also apply here? Or is rugby not a profession and tennis is?


Edited by Bullfrog (07/03/05 01:37 AM)

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#156893 - 07/03/05 06:30 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
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Quote:

"In the real world, older people in ANY profession are more experienced and more mature and just plain better." Would you like to explain this one?

What about rugby for example, does this also apply here? Or is rugby not a profession and tennis is?




I have a very easy time. Name me the best trainers, instructors, teachers, mentors, gurus etc, and I will be very surprised to find any 20 yearolds amongst them.
Do you know many 25 yearold rugby coaches??

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#156894 - 07/03/05 09:44 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: MAGr]
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I mentioned similar in another thread (hopes hes not getting senile and repeating himself ), that the age of a teacher as it relates in effectiveness to the student is based on the seriousness/importance of the subject.

I wouldn't pay (in time or money) for...
a pre-teen to teach parenting classes.
or a teen to give me medical advice or teach me CPR.
or a 20-something teaching me how to build a house.

but I wouldn't have a problem with paying for...
a pre-teen to teach me how to play GameCube.
a teenager teaching me how to ride a motocycle.
a 20-something teaching me a foreign language.

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#156895 - 07/03/05 02:19 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: Kintama]
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You would let a 20 year old tell you what medicine to take but not how to build your house? Wow. Interesting priorities.

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#156896 - 07/03/05 02:26 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
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Quote:

You would let a 20 year old tell you what medicine to take but not how to build your house? Wow. Interesting priorities.




That's not what I read.
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#156897 - 07/03/05 02:27 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: Kintama]
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Quote:

I mentioned similar in another thread (hopes hes not getting senile and repeating himself ), that the age of a teacher as it relates in effectiveness to the student is based on the seriousness/importance of the subject.

I wouldn't pay (in time or money) for...
a pre-teen to teach parenting classes.
or a teen to give me medical advice or teach me CPR.
or a 20-something teaching me how to build a house.

but I wouldn't have a problem with paying for...
a pre-teen to teach me how to play GameCube.
a teenager teaching me how to ride a motocycle.
a 20-something teaching me a foreign language.





Seriousness/importance is surely a subjective issue.
What you consider important, another may not.
You would allow a teenager to teach you to control a 1/4 ton lump of metal that travels at speeds in excess of 150 mph but not how to throw a decent punch?

As to the question of maturity and it's relationship to teaching, I think that the mistake people are making here is
they are talking about general maturity as opposed to maturity within the confines of the subject taught.
As Bushi no ki says, prodigies are generally immature(I don't know this for sure I'm taking his word on it) but only outside of the field of their given talent(s).
Having composed music from about the age of 6, Mozart( within the field of music) at age 18 would have had the maturity of someone much, much older.

I would imagine that everyone here who teaches has no problem with teaching potentially lethal techniques to an 18 yr old. Surely they recognise that in doing so they rely on
that students maturity to not go using said techniques in inappropriate circumstances. So what most on here are saying is that yes at 18 they are mature enough to learn this stuff
but not mature enough to pass it on. It seems to me there is a lack of consistency in this. (yes you are, no you're not) No wonder most teenagers are in a state of confusion!

When people ask questions on this forum every body weighs in with an answer. Some of the answers and advice are good, some are bad. Plenty of those answers come from young adults. The message being sent to them is, don't waste your time, you're too young and I'm not going to listen to you anyway!

I'm sorry if this offends anyone but this attitude displays
the utmost arrogance and closed mindedness. Two things I feel have no place in MA!

We are all teachers. Young and old alike.
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#156898 - 07/03/05 02:45 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: McSensei]
Bullfrog Offline
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Thank you McSensei. I was about to give up considering that I was in a minority in that view. You put it much more eloquently than I have been able to so far.

edit :
Quote:

That's not what I read.




What did you read?


Edited by Bullfrog (07/03/05 03:02 PM)

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#156899 - 07/03/05 04:41 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
SANCHIN31 Offline
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I didn't see where he said he would let a 20yr old prescribe him meds.
The question was "Does age matter?" in relation to teaching martial arts.The answer is clearly yes because of the time needed to have experience.
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