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#156860 - 06/26/05 05:04 PM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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#3: junior's class (10-12) for men, must have at least black belt, must be at least 25 (unless the parent of more than one child). For women, must have brown belt, must be at least 22.


#4: children (9 and under) for men, Must have black belt, must be at least 25 (unless parent of more than one child), for women, must have studied for at least 2.5 years, must be at least 16.





Having argued similar points in the previous incarnation on this thread I will keep my objections to Bushi_no_ki's oppinion reasonably short.

This particular type of prejudice gets on my tits just because a lot of people seem to have this idea that you must be a certain age to teach. It is insane. As for maturity, age does NOT equate with maturity.

It should be about the ammount of knoweledge they posess and ability to communicate that in important for teaching, not some completely arbitrary age catagory that people have to fit in. It's like saying that "I would NEVER learn under an instructor that is less than 5'8 tall, they just aren't tall enough." It's not any physical attribute that should determine someone's teaching ability, it(to reiterate) should be the ammount of knoweledge they posess and ability to communicate that should be important.

However Bushi_no_ki, you claim that prodigies aren't mature. Sweeping generalizations like that make me feel queasy. This is probably because of your idea that it is age whichs equates to maturity, but I would ask that you explain exactally WHY that it is that prodigies aren't mature. Ever. Period. It seems to be a very strong claim you are making there.

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Re: Rock This Way [Re: JoelM]
#15757360 - 06/25/05 03:05 AM
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There's no such thing as too old. You're only as old as you feel.




If I had to choose between A 50 year old who had been practicing karate 5 years and a 22 year old who had been practicing for 10, I would pick the one with better teaching skills, who knew most about the art and who could explain and help the most effectivly. I wouldn't pick it on age. According to your previous criteria you would pick the 50 year old though.

Also the steriotype that women are better with kids than men is weird. You would claim that age would somehow make up for this.

I know I have brought up a Buttload of issues here, not meaning to be aimed at you specifically but your post stood out. Please try to address the issues I have raised.


Edited by Bullfrog (06/26/05 05:14 PM)

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#156861 - 06/27/05 12:27 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
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Prodigies are not mature.

I stand by that statement as I had several opportunities to be a prodigy (that were taken from me) and I am far from mature.

Prodigies aren't mature for the simple fact that someone that smart cannot have a normal childhood. Any person with an IQ over 140 is going to have at least a moderate form of depression. That is more or less a fact that hasn't been disproven, and there are mental health orgs that are trying.

Edit: I knew I had mentioned that I was a candidate for prodigyhood before. Bullfrog, next time, don't question the opinions of a prodigy's maturity level when it was given by someone who was invited to finish ALL his education at Johns Hopkins University in New York at the age of 11. Feel free to disagree if you do, just don't question it from me.


Edited by Bushi_no_ki (06/27/05 12:34 AM)

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#156862 - 06/27/05 12:37 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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Age matters on the subject of rank and teaching to me.
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#156863 - 06/27/05 01:43 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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This will be my last post on the topic as I am about to explode with frustration. Anyone who ever claims "Don't question me!" loses all my respect. That kind of thinking is like saying that "I'm disabled and I didn't have a normal, happy life so no one can". If you feel like addressing the other issues that would be cool, because I don't want to drag this thread too off topic with this discussion.

*side note, Hey sanchin. Nice to see another person who was involved in the last thread pop by. You made some really good arguments and It made me question my oppinion seriously.


Edited by Bullfrog (06/27/05 01:50 AM)

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#156864 - 06/27/05 02:03 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
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Hi bullfrog,What was that last thread called? Maybe if my IQ was higher I would know.
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#156865 - 06/27/05 02:53 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: SANCHIN31]
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lol, I forget. Was a good one though.

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#156866 - 06/27/05 03:25 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
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Bullfrog, at a point in the near future, when I'm capable of being sincere and heartfelt about it, I owe you an apology. Now, I'm going to try and deal with the roadblock to sincerity.

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#156867 - 06/27/05 05:50 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
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As for maturity, age does NOT equate with maturity




It does. I m sorry but some things in life are fact and not a matter of opinion. I m not saying that there are no immature adults, I am saying that there are no mature teenagers. There are teenagers that are mature for their age but certainly not mature enough or experienced enough to be able to handle a school as it should be.


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If I had to choose between A 50 year old who had been practicing karate 5 years and a 22 year old who had been practicing for 10, I would pick the one with better teaching skills, who knew most about the art and who could explain and help the most effectivly




Yes bu that is not the point is it? You are basically saying that you wouldnt learn from someone who has no experience, well duh!
The martial arts ability is a given, what I am saying is age.

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#156868 - 06/28/05 02:19 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: MAGr]
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I am saying that there are no mature teenagers.




You are saying NO teenagers are mature. Not enough to teach? Then I guess I shouldn't have been running tutorials and marking at university for the last two years. I would assume you would dissagree with having an immature teacher, right? Well, I had better inform Victoria Uni of this fact so they can fire me asap. Look, "It takes 8.5 minutes for light to get from the sun to earth." Fact. "Germany is in Europe" Fact. "Teenagers are immature." Woha buddy, back the fact truck up on this one. Would you like to provide any conclusive evidence for this one? If it is as you say a fact, then there will be no single instance where what you say is wrong. What you are saying is that "teenagers are immature" has more weight that say, the theory of gravity, since one is a theory, albeit a consistant one. The other being a fact.

Onto your second point, So what you are saying if there where two identical instructors one who was 22 and one who was 55, both exactally the same skills and teaching ability at martial arts, you would pick the older one. Thats like saying there are a black and a white instructor and i would pick the black one. Or man and a woman and you would pick the man. It's crazy dude.

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#156869 - 06/28/05 02:27 AM Re: Does age matter [Re: Bullfrog]
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Bullfrog, You took that out of context.He said that there are teenagers that are mature for their age.How can a teenager that is mature for his age be as mature as a 40yr old who is mature for HIS age?He can't. I would choose the more experienced instructor and most likely find that he/she is older.I think you need a good 10yrs after blackbelt to be a head instructor,that would make someone much more than a teenager.
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