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#156449 - 06/16/05 04:39 AM Silly but True
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I played rugby for two years.....Also, Iīm a Judoka.... The rugby rules say that you can grab an opponentīs body (except for neck and head)..so, I thought, during my last match....to be original....and, when a rival came with the ball, instead of tackling him, I applied him a hip throw. And then , the referee came across to me and smiled saying: "Beautiful Ippon, but....I canīt let you keep on playing", and showed me the red card.....The guy Iīve thrown .....Iīve helped him to land......donīt worry.....

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#156450 - 06/16/05 08:08 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: Outshined]
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Now that's original!
On what rule did he send you off the field?

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#156451 - 06/16/05 08:14 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: Foundation]
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Are you serious? On what rule? On the rule that you cannot use martial arts moves on people unless you are defending yourself!

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#156452 - 06/16/05 09:06 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: MAGr]
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I meant rugby rule not martial arts rule.
I suppose he didn't throw him too hard and used a decent throw (like harai goshi and not o goshi or something like that, my throw knowledge diminished greatly in the 4 years I stopped judo)
I suppose that guy didn't get hurt or else it's bad indeed.
As long as it's a low throw it's just a fancy sweep if it isn't applied with power.


Edited by Foundation (06/16/05 09:06 AM)

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#156453 - 06/16/05 09:20 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: Foundation]
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You are kidding right? You cant use a martial arts throw in rugby for very simple reasons.

First and foremost its not sportsmanship!

Secondly, in judo you get taught how to fall, that guy probably did not know how to fall nor was he used to getting flipped. He could have easily broken his arm.

Thirdly, you can use the coordination/fitness/awareness/balance and all the other passive skills that you learnt in MA, but you should not use the active skills.

Fourth. Imagine someone who knows pressure points, do you think that he should be able to use them whilst playing basketball for example? do you think that its fair? why are throws any different?

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#156454 - 06/16/05 10:35 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: MAGr]
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Maybe you didn't read the part that as long as it didn't hurt the other.
Have you ever seen a rugby match? It's strange the other got that close, I know someone who plays rugby, and once every 3 weeks he comes at school injured on a rugby match, he nearly lost an eye once when he fell with his head on the opponents knee, that's really violent stuff.
And if you're not allowed to do certain moves they usually make rules against that, for example there's the no touching rule in basketball.
Rugby has it's own takedown moves and they're usually more effective on the field.

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#156455 - 06/16/05 10:51 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: Foundation]
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I have watched rugby and I do play rugby, and yes it is a violent sport, but when I play I am prepared to get taken dow, not flipped over someones back. It takes a specific type of falling to get used to getting flipped.
Yes...you said as long as it didnt hurt anyone, well....it could have, just because it didnt happen doesnt make it right.
Who said you are not allowed to touch in basketball? I am not talking about netball!
Anyway, the referee took him out for a reason, think about it!

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#156456 - 06/16/05 10:57 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: MAGr]
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Did he still have the ball?
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#156457 - 06/16/05 11:08 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: trevek]
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In basketball it's illegal to touch the others, maybe because you play rugby you have the habit to take the others down (the guy who I know that plays rugby does that, very irritating to play basketball against him)
But look at this extract from www.fiba.com
Quote:

A foul is an illegal action that can commit a player from one team to a player from the adverse team.

Basketball is generally said a non-contact game.

If, in particular occasion this is not respected, a foul is committed.

There are two types of fouls.

The first ones are called defensive fouls. They occur when the offensive player is being fouled by the defender. Defenders should not block, push, trip, strike or hold the player in possession of the ball.

The second ones are the offensive fouls. For example a player in offense commits an offensive foul when charging into a stationary defender.



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#156458 - 06/16/05 11:41 AM Re: Silly but True [Re: Foundation]
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yeah ok Mr Dictionary, have you seen a basketball game? is there no contact whatsoever between the players?

Anyway, point being you should not use active, offensive MA techniques when playing other sports.
You dont agree fine, let the ref decide.

Stop being so childish, "But..but..but.. its not in the rule book...!"
They are not going to make rules for every little circumstance are they? are you going to argue with me that there isnt a rule about using judo throws in rugby? There isnt a rule specifically about using a bat to break someone's legs either but you'de get a red card for it.

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