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#155968 - 06/15/05 08:32 AM A new version of Krav?
RangerG Offline
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Registered: 04/18/05
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Call me "Late for Dinner", but I just found out about Haganah.

It is promoted by Integrated Defensive Fighting Systems, Inc. as the F.I.G.H.T.Program.

Here is a link to a dojo in my area with a rundown:

http://www.mccormickkarate.com/mk_f.i.g.h.t.htm


Talking to others in my area, it seems to be another "flavor" of the Krav basics with some changes.

Anyone able to give an educated opinion based on experience?

Just wondering....
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#155969 - 06/15/05 09:00 AM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: RangerG]
globetrotter Offline
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I get the feeling that "hagana" and "dennis survival" and 2 systems that were developed by people who had some KM training and some martial arts training and decided to open dojos without paying off the "franchise fee" or "royalty" that KM expected from them. I don't think that it is fundementaly different, just "politically" different.

one thing - I would be willing to bet my butt that there is no such thing as "Israeli knife fighting". when I was in the military, it was not something that was tought to anybody, except as a very very small part of krav maga. it was very much frowned upon to carry a fighting knife, with the idea that it was alwayd better to have a bachup pistol than a knife, or to use a silencer rather than a knife. so if this school is teaching "israeli knife fighting" it is already suspicious in my eyes.

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#155970 - 06/15/05 12:09 PM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: RangerG]
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What I want to know is, who finances something like this to get it started with the full color double page ads in Black Belt magazine every month?


Edited by Fletch1 (06/15/05 12:10 PM)
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#155971 - 06/15/05 12:40 PM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: Fletch1]
globetrotter Offline
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the return on investment is huge. I don't know what a double spead in BB costs, but in the mags I advertise in that is maybe $8K. investing 50K in building up a name for a style like this is nothing if you can get a few thousand students willing to pay $150 a month and seminars.

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#155972 - 06/18/05 10:29 AM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: globetrotter]
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Quote:

the return on investment is huge. I don't know what a double spead in BB costs, but in the mags I advertise in that is maybe $8K. investing 50K in building up a name for a style like this is nothing if you can get a few thousand students willing to pay $150 a month and seminars.




We had a discussion at our dojo about this and I think you hit the mark here. The former Israeli Commando who developed Haganah is cashing in on the financial success of Krav...at least that is the consensus.
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#155973 - 06/22/05 05:41 AM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: RangerG]
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I thought that Haganah were Israeli special forces, and not a version of Krav maga.

Here`s a quote from wikipedia on haganah:
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The Haganah (Hebrew: "Defense", הגנה) was a Jewish paramilitary organization in Palestine during the British mandate of Palestine from 1920 to 1948. The Haganah are known to be the foundation of the modern Israel Defense Forces (צה"ל)—Israel's army.


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#155974 - 06/22/05 08:19 AM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: Kosh]
globetrotter Offline
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haganah was the origional defense force, pre-state, in israel. it also means "defense".

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#155975 - 06/22/05 08:24 PM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: RangerG]
RangerG Offline
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I found another site that goes into detail. This is posted only for the purpose of education, not to promote the school.

http://www.fight2survive.com/
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#155976 - 06/23/05 01:45 AM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: RangerG]
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Registered: 06/18/05
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Its obvious looking at the web sites, it is a self developed martial arts. He has done a variety of other and I quote "Haganah, an Israeli system developed by Israeli Special Forces veteran and world-class martial artist, Mike Lee Kanarek"

He has also done Krav before and states under the old system of grading he is a 1st Dan Black belt in it. This grading system is no longer used under the true IKMF system.

So make your only conclusions.
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#155977 - 06/24/05 03:45 AM Re: A new version of Krav? [Re: madmattg]
Equis Offline
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I don't know I have to agree I think he is trying to circumvent the IKMF licensing.

If he really wanted to add some of his special moves from what other MA he as studied he could. As long as he did not stray from the curriculum of the KM as it is known from IFMF and KMAA. It would really just be his own brand of KM as many "dojos" of KM differ in technique slightly depending on what the instructor has studied previously.

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