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#155554 - 06/16/05 08:51 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: Neko456]
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Thank you for your well worded and lengthy reply. Last knight I sat down and read replies to me for this post and I didnít have the time to reply the way I wanted, so I was waiting to post today. Well you have said about what I would have typed so I will thank you for your thoughts on this matter and your great reply.

1973, nicely worded.

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#155555 - 06/17/05 11:54 AM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: Neko456]
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Quote by Neko456 -

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I agree that sparring with students below Black Belt is a waste of time




I'm sorry....I just can't let that go. That is arrogant BS.

Waste of time? For who? Certainly not the student, who would benefit greatly from working with a high rank. And it seems very close minded to think that you can learn nothing from a lower rank.

I have sparred lower ranks, and found some to be very athletic and intelligent. Even the uncoordinated flailers can catch you with unorthodox techniques that you do not get from the higher ranks as much.

You get out of it what you put into it.

I apologize if I have mis-interpreted what you wrote, but that came across as elitist garbage to me.
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#155556 - 06/17/05 01:29 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: MattJ]
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My first instructor was a 4th degree Moo Duk Kwan insrtuctor who not only sparred but did not pull techniques much at all. Do not misunderstand. He did not go out and simply beat you down. He worked with you, taught as he fought, and stung you if you made the same mistake twice.

He was the best fighter I have ever had the pleasure to work with then and now. I have never met anyone since with better timing, distancing, or combinations. Had I not sparred with him on a regular basis, I would not be half the fighter I am today. Am I at his level, probably not. Am I a much better fighter now thanks to the experiences with him, oh most definitely.

If he had sat back and just coached, I never would have developed the timing, footwork, distancing, and ability to react to a power shot the way I do now. It helped me to grow as a person, a MA, and as a fighter.

Higher belts sparring with lower belts is a must. There is simply too great a benefit in it not to allow students to have the experience. It also is a good thing if occasionally you can get a shot in on your instructor. It lets you know that even though they are clearly more talented, they are human too and that you are obviously improving if you can get something in on them. Sometimes, just having that desire, to score on your teacher, is enough to push you harder than you normally would push yourself.

I can only see a good side to sparring lower belts as an instructor or a senior belt.
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#155557 - 06/17/05 02:30 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: RazorFoot]
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If he had sat back and just coached, I never would have developed the timing, footwork, distancing, and ability to react to a power shot the way I do now. It helped me to grow as a person, a MA, and as a fighter.

Higher belts sparring with lower belts is a must. There is simply too great a benefit in it not to allow students to have the experience. It also is a good thing if occasionally you can get a shot in on your instructor. It lets you know that even though they are clearly more talented, they are human too and that you are obviously improving if you can get something in on them. Sometimes, just having that desire, to score on your teacher, is enough to push you harder than you normally would push yourself.

I can only see a good side to sparring lower belts as an instructor or a senior belt.




I could not agree more!
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#155558 - 06/17/05 03:42 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: RazorFoot]
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Matt and Razorfoot stated it very well!

There is more benefit to everyone involved when top level instructors spar with students instead of "wasting their time."

-B

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#155559 - 06/17/05 07:18 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: MN JC]
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Quote:

Quote:

If he had sat back and just coached, I never would have developed the timing, footwork, distancing, and ability to react to a power shot the way I do now. It helped me to grow as a person, a MA, and as a fighter.

Higher belts sparring with lower belts is a must. There is simply too great a benefit in it not to allow students to have the experience. It also is a good thing if occasionally you can get a shot in on your instructor. It lets you know that even though they are clearly more talented, they are human too and that you are obviously improving if you can get something in on them. Sometimes, just having that desire, to score on your teacher, is enough to push you harder than you normally would push yourself.

I can only see a good side to sparring lower belts as an instructor or a senior belt.




I could not agree more!




I can! I agree more.
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#155560 - 06/17/05 08:32 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: SANCHIN31]
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I have to agree that sparring with lower ranks is a must. Some of my best instruction came from free sparring with my Instructor, who is 5th black.

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#155561 - 06/18/05 07:00 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: MattJ]
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May be some of you are missing the part of 5th Dan sparring colored belts. I am not a 5th Dan but in my class sometimes we have over 20 students sparring at one time. If I join in how can I teach everyone? I have joined in at times and my students are so intimidated that they donít focus on anything but jumping around. I have been on both ends and know what works for me and I know my students learn from my teaching weather I spar with them or not but I seem to get the point across if colored belts spar each other and I move around the floor jumping in when needed.

Being a wast of time it is if knowone is learning and that is not being arogent!

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#155562 - 06/18/05 09:25 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: BulldogTKD]
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I don't think anyone mentioned anything about sparring every single person in the class.

I use to run a sparring class at my old school, and I did in fact spar every single person that came to it, but I don't think we ever had 20 people there at once!

What came across in the earlier posts was a dismissing of the need to EVER spar the lower ranks....that is absurd. THEY need the attention, regardless of the workout that the instructor will get doing it.

Surely you can spar several different people in the class. Watching is necessary too, as there will things that will be easier to see from a distance, but the majority of the benefit for the student is going to be gained in the doing (working with the high rank).
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#155563 - 06/18/05 09:35 PM Re: Instructors sparring [Re: MattJ]
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Matt, it's easy! Just spar them all at once! It'll be easy with the high ranking orbiting mystique guiding you.
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