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#155381 - 06/13/05 09:59 PM Mixed Martial Arts.
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Could Systema and Krav Maga be considered a form of mixed martial arts as they are conglomerations of other forms?

I am wondering if this could be considered a more accurate definition.

Just looking for some other opinions here.
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#155382 - 06/14/05 01:49 AM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: RangerG]
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I dont consider krav maga to be a M.A.

For me it is a very good system of selfdefence.

After 10 years of trainig in other M.A. I had no problem with understanding the principles of K.M.

But a friend of mine who had no previouzs experience had a lot of problems understanding some things like distance and timing and space.
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#155383 - 06/14/05 01:07 PM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: satter]
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Ranger,

MMA is pretty much studying all ranges of Hand-to-Hand and tends to focus on competition. From what I can tell there isn't really any cirriculum to MMA, it's more of a training method.

Technically, you could probably call Krav a Mixed Martial Art but I don't think many of the MMA guys are going to buy into it.

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#155384 - 06/14/05 03:33 PM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: RangerG]
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Well, if KM is not a Martial art what is it? Technically anything that is not orginated from Asia is not a martial art.

Usually a Martial Art is practiced for sport.

KM is orginated from Asian fighting styles and disciplines, but it adds more practicallity. Therefore, KM is not practiced to get points it is to defend and combat. There are no rules, no refs, no scoring on the streets it's all brutal combat that usually ends with someone half dead.

So yeah you are right it is not a Martial Art, more of a combat/defense system.


Edited by Equis (06/14/05 03:40 PM)

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#155385 - 06/14/05 04:51 PM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: Equis]
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Technically anything that is not orginated from Asia is not a martial art.

first, I am not sure that you can say that that only systems coming out of Asia are martial arts, but even so, Israel is in Asia so technically that would fit the definition

I am not convinced that it is a martial art because I don't think it should be studied or treated as one. It lacks the spirituality factor of "martial arts" and it lacks the "lifestyle" aspect.

krav maga is a very effective system for fighting, and I am ot sure that it is anything more than that.


Usually a Martial Art is practiced for sport.

KM is orginated from Asian fighting styles and disciplines, but it adds more practicallity. Therefore, KM is not practiced to get points it is to defend and combat. There are no rules, no refs, no scoring on the streets it's all brutal combat that usually ends with someone half dead.

So yeah you are right it is not a Martial Art, more of a combat/defense system.



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#155386 - 06/14/05 05:45 PM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: RangerG]
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MMA is both a sport and a process that allows you to pressure test your tactics and skills in controlled training environments.

So, it depends. If your KM training is too dangerous to spar with and consists mainly of memorized/practiced techniques against predetermined attacks, then I would say that it in now way resembles what I call MMA.

Nothing wrong with it. It might be a Self Defense system. Just not MMA.
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#155387 - 06/15/05 06:50 AM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: satter]
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I posed this question to see what the responses would be. On occasion I try to think outside the "box" and see what is going on in other peoples heads with regard to Martial Arts in general, and it's variations.

Group discussion on a variety of subjects fosters a strong community and creates friendships across borders. It allows us to understand each others cultures and thinking.

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#155388 - 06/24/05 03:54 AM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: RangerG]
Equis Offline
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I am thinking of cross training with Hapkido I went to an introductory class last week.

I like Hapkido as it fills in some of the stuff KM does not teach as using traditional weapons. I mean they are pretty much not that useful in real world applications but I would like to learn how to handle swords and stuff.

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#155389 - 06/30/05 03:03 AM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: Equis]
clammy joe Offline
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I think you could call it that in the broadest sense since it borrows from karate, boxing, ju-jitsu and ?. It's a MMA plus it offers defenses that you wouldn't see in a tournement. Personally I use the term martial art for any fighting style from boxing to kali to wrestling, it just keeps things simpler and avoids long and boring arguments about semantics.

I watched a UFC video for the first time in years and as soon as I saw it I thought "That's Krav." Whether or not the participants in the fights had ever even heard of Krav what they were doing was very similar, boxing stance, karate kicks, ju-jitsu ground techniques.
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#155390 - 06/30/05 04:33 AM Re: Mixed Martial Arts. [Re: Equis]
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Quote:

Well, if KM is not a Martial art what is it? Technically anything that is not orginated from Asia is not a martial art.





Open to argument, some would include western boxing and wrestling in martial arts, others would call them sports.

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Usually a Martial Art is practiced for sport.






By this definition you could include boxing, wrestling and others.

The traditinal Asian Martial Arts were not practiced for sport at all. Today, there are many sports orientated martial arts groups. Not sure about your country, but in UK there are still many non sports based martial arts.
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