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#155273 - 06/27/05 05:49 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: BaguaMonk]
MAGr Offline

Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
people have a seriously wrong impression of wing chun, either that or I am studying something different. Our footwork is very mobile and much more so because we dont use a very wide stance. The angling that we practice is a testiment to the footwork, getting in and out of the guard. Bridging the gap?. And paddy cake Paddy cake is a far cry away from what we do in class. Full contact fighting, pad work drills up the.., heavy bag.
The bong sau is a transitional move you dont block with a bong sau.

#155274 - 06/27/05 06:02 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: Laughing Dingo]
monji112000 Offline

Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 177

Nearly every technique of Wing Chun can be found in one form or another in Hung Ga.
Yes some people think they have the same origin.. that remains to be factual.

Wooden dummies are used by Choy li fut, southern praying mantis, shaolin, etc.
Many Shaolin styles use this training tool... prob because of their shared origin.

Bong Sao is worthless as a block, its a deflection at best and should transition into another movement asap. Bong sao needs to be used with shifting and not straight on. lop sao drills with bong sao are a complete waste of time in my opinion.

every “block” is worthless. You can cover a great deal of space with a Bong and a Tan sao combined. I have seen many schools try to just put up movements like Bong, tan ect..
I don't really understand how they got the idea that this will work...??

I wish people would stop trying to fight in the basic neutral stance..
The list of complaints I have on most WC fighters is very long.. but I can't speak for them.... only myself.

You must move your whole body and apply proper force.

good attacks that I used bong+ tan for ...
high round kick (muay thai)
straight lead/cross (western boxing)
a strong pull down (like muay thai knee pull)
hook (western boxing)

I am sure others.. i just haven't learned them yet..

If you can find someone that can REALLY fight with any style.. and if he is a good teacher thats worth $1,000,000 .

ps.. WC has powerful Northern elements. You just don't see it in most version's of Ip man's style. Allot of people focus on short range.. and forget that you must get in.
Focus on everything.. don't stay stagnant.

#155275 - 07/01/05 05:50 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: monji112000]
monji112000 Offline

Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 177
example of a lao sao
first he covers everything with a tan-gan, then follows with a lop sao and a knee.

example of a bong sao +tan (qwan sao) used to stop a high round kick.

another were bong is used to cover a area with a tan with.

its all in the way you use anything
Lop sao or bong sao

I didn't get permission from the people in the videos.. so please don't bash people who don't have a chance to respond.

#155276 - 07/09/05 04:07 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: MAGr]
Fangshendo Offline

Registered: 05/23/05
Posts: 26
Loc: Ottawa Ontario Canada
The style of kung fu I study is based on wing chun and jeet kune do.We use bong sao (high and low),the low bong sao looks a lot like a "wing" deflection in cali.Taun sao ,pak sao,die jung and guang sao are the other deflections we use.It is stressed in my system that we deflect,not block, as in other more traditional systems.A deflection is not based on power meeting power and is therefore more effective.Also a deflection can be turned into a strike very quickly.

#155277 - 07/10/05 03:33 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: Fangshendo]
Laughing Dingo Offline

Registered: 03/31/05
Posts: 17
Keep in mind that strong blocks are meant to hurt the attackers weapons. If you destoy the atacking arm, you may be much safer. Remeber the iron bidges. Wing Chun is not always the pansy art that so many make it seem.

#155278 - 07/10/05 05:16 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: Laughing Dingo]
Fangshendo Offline

Registered: 05/23/05
Posts: 26
Loc: Ottawa Ontario Canada
I am in no way trying to insinuate that wing chun is a pansy art.A strong deflection can also be used to inflict pain on an attacker's arm or leg.We do use blocks, such as a double arm block against a high roundhouse.This is very effective and when applied using proper body mechanics is devastating to the attacker's shin.All I was saying was that deflections are stressed more in my system than blocks.

#155279 - 07/10/05 06:37 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: Fangshendo]
MAGr Offline

Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
As it should be in my opinion.
The strength of the block should be determined by the situation. You give soft blocks when they are over commiting their bodies for example to draw them in and unbalance them. On a hard hook I would jam it because a deflection may collapse under the pressure aswell as the fact that the harder they hit the more it would hurt them. But ofcourse there are exceptions. Just use the type of block that matches the other person's srike, I would not use the bong sau on a boxer for example, more pat sau and dip/gan sau (slapping block and 'iron forearm' blocks.)

#155280 - 07/10/05 09:13 PM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: MAGr]
pathfinder7195 Offline

Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 336
Loc: T.C Michigan, U.S
Good post MAGr. I wish I had used the word "deflection" instead of block in regards to the bong sau. Sorry you got raked over the coals on the "tricks" thread. I know what you meant.


#155281 - 07/11/05 08:50 AM Re: The melting pot of kung fu [Re: pathfinder7195]
monji112000 Offline

Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 177
I am sure other teachers have a different understanding but..

most techniques have a hard and soft way in WC. Hard would be direct and fast but dead on. This is good for some people .. but the main problem with these type of covering or blocking is that they can't take allot of power. If you are not as strong as the person punching or kicking your really out of luck. A softer,slower way is to redirect or deflect the persons attack. You can take much more power when you redirect.. because your not actually taking the power.

Timing is a big deal when looking at both sides

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