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#155018 - 06/12/05 11:55 PM Zen Gardens
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We use words all the time to describe something that is without words, then I remembered my first visit to Kyoto over 10 years ago.
I found some photos online that show the only zen garden I visited...During winter, the snow is also arainged. The effect is indescribable. I don't consider myself overly spiritual or emotional, but the effect the garden had on me was on a few different levels. my body felt a vibration like I was at a very loud concert, except there was nothing to hear. My mind felt like a baby's not really comprehending. My heart felt relaxed.
http://phototravels.net/kyoto/zen-gardens-ryogen-in.html

Bodhidharma described Zen as:

"Not reliant on the written word,
A special transmission separate from the scriptures;
Direct pointing at one's mind,
Seeing one's nature, becoming a Buddha."

Zen Gardens are a way of transmitting without words.

I've visted many times since, but have yet to experience the garden in the same way each time.

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#155019 - 06/13/05 12:18 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Kintama]
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Take me with you....

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#155020 - 06/14/05 04:25 PM Moments of wonder [Re: JoelM]
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(Something I recently shared with friends.)

I remember seeing Andre Segovia in concert as a child. A chair, a stand with a glass of water, and a small man in black on stage with a guitar. So odd, so many people crammed into a tiny space and making no sound.

A still little man in black, and out of that stillness came the most incredible sound that I still remember the feeling of wonder that came over me.

-Narda

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#155021 - 06/14/05 08:16 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Kintama]
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aaahh! simply wonderful!

I'd like one of these at home! The nearest I have to it at the moment is a garden with camellias and stones and a dragon.
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#155022 - 06/14/05 08:42 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Reiki]
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for fear of sounding ignorant, I appreciate the aesthetic value of the zen gardens, and i m sure more learned people attach a greater meaning to them than i ever could.
But, as it seems that reality and zen are not mutually exclusive ideas, I would like a garden that I could walk around in.

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#155023 - 06/14/05 08:59 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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Quote:

Take me with you....




Me too!

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#155024 - 06/14/05 11:05 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: KiDoHae]
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Quote:

Quote:

Take me with you....




Me too!




FIELD TRIP!!!!!!

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#155025 - 06/15/05 03:21 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
nenipp Offline
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or garden party?

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#155026 - 06/15/05 03:49 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Take me with you....




Me too!




FIELD TRIP!!!!!!




Sign me up!!!!!

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#155027 - 06/16/05 10:19 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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If we are planning a field trip...could we go at Cherry Blossom time? (Hmm, Hmmm, Hmmm...imagine the Cherry Blossom Song)

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#155028 - 06/16/05 04:47 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Kintama]
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Sounds wierd but I'd like to run through one in my bare feet, bet that would [censored] off some monks wouldn;t it?
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#155029 - 06/16/05 09:43 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: schanne]
JoelM Offline
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Just don't do it in Thailand, they're not afraid to fight back.
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#155030 - 06/16/05 10:06 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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OK, we'll skip Thailand.

Pick a country!

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#155031 - 06/16/05 10:19 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: KiDoHae]
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Madagascar.
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#155032 - 06/16/05 10:47 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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Madagascar.




WHY? Have you been watching too many cartoons again?

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#155033 - 06/16/05 11:30 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: eyrie]
JoelM Offline
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No, Madagascar is a wonderful land unto itself. Where else can you find lemurs , the smallest chameleon in the world, and
an aye-aye


The biodiversity of such a beautiful place is being cut short each day. It is a shame to let these wonderful creatures go by without appreciating their beauty.

http://www.wildmadagascar.org/wildlife/animals.html

If places like this, this, and this don't scream out zen, then I don't know what does.


Edited by JoelM (06/16/05 11:39 PM)

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#155034 - 06/17/05 06:00 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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Yes, it is a beautiful place. I took a course with Prof. Laurie Godfrey, a Primatologist whose primary reseach is in Madagascar, and learned a lot about lemurs. Madagascar has terrible problems (that are driving the lemurs to extinction)...all magnified by the fact that it is an island. Poverty, lack of birth control, erosion, deforestation, lack of protein sources (yes...they EAT lemurs there), and a nasty civil war/political problems.

My mother won't let me go on that field trip.

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#155035 - 06/17/05 07:23 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: KiDoHae]
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I'll pick New Zealand.

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#155036 - 06/19/05 09:13 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Kintama]
Reiki Offline
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I'll pick New Zealand.




Strangely enough so do I!

But that's because I am biased [and I'm here anyway] *and* it avoids having to spend wasted training hours at airports and sitting on planes!

We have plenty of lovely places like that both on my own property and in the nearby mountains which I can see from all my windows at home ... spoiled eh?!

Our dojo borders a native forest of about 500? hectares where people and planes have been lost forever..... in the summer it is lovely to train next to the trees and hear the stream.
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#155037 - 06/19/05 10:32 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Reiki]
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New Zealand with Viggo!

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#155038 - 06/19/05 10:40 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: harlan]
eyrie Offline
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Not New Zealand....Middle Earth...

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#155039 - 06/19/05 10:40 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: harlan]
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"He is Lord Vigo!"

Wait...wrong movie...
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#155040 - 06/19/05 11:18 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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Um....I think we should quietly exit the Zen Garden and leave harlan in peaceful bliss and solitude....

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#155041 - 06/19/05 11:59 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: harlan]
Reiki Offline
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New Zealand with Viggo!




you can sign me up for that one too!
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#155042 - 06/20/05 01:01 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Reiki]
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I wasn't going to admit it, but the scenes in LOTR is my main influence for wanting to visiting NZ.

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#155043 - 06/20/05 11:31 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Kintama]
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AH HA!!!! Kintama's out finally, a big ole' nerd.

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#155044 - 06/20/05 04:08 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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I didn't think that was anything new.

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#155045 - 06/21/05 09:18 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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"AH HA!!!! Kintama's out finally, a big ole' nerd."

That's why we like him!

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#155046 - 06/21/05 09:43 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: nenipp]
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We like him?

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#155047 - 06/21/05 11:41 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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you guys better watch it... you think a pocket protector can't be used as a weapon? ...or carrying around 50lbs of books everyday doesn't make us tough?

remember the lessons of teasing the wrong guy:
http://www.tomheroes.com/images/charles_atlas.JPG

how ya like them apples?!

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#155048 - 06/21/05 01:38 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: JoelM]
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"We like him?"

Yes, probably.

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#155049 - 07/07/05 03:56 PM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: Kintama]
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Look what I found listed under 'Zen Gardens' on the web!
Oldman has been busy!

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/1459/buddhaingarden1lt.jpg

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#155050 - 07/08/05 07:11 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: harlan]
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lol..beat those man-cans, oldman!

Actually, I'd like a buddha razwell for my garden.

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#155051 - 07/09/05 07:40 AM Re: Zen Gardens [Re: harlan]
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Looks like a laughing buddha to me!

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