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#154745 - 07/07/05 03:34 PM Re: Streetfighting trend [Re: slash89]
Spin_Hook Offline

Registered: 07/07/05
Posts: 45
I love the offhand "what I would do in a street fight" advice. I know if my instructor found out that I was out starting fights in the street over something stupid (which is almost invariably what street fights are about) then I would be summarily kicked out of my school with a full refund the next day.

Here's a tip for "street fighters": try using your brain and diffusing the situation before worrying about which window you should throw a guy through. I'm not saying sit the guy down and discuss his childhood but 90% of the time apologizing (even if I wasn't wrong to begin with) and offering to buy a round of beer saved me the trouble of having to spend half the night getting stitches.

Whatever happened to the philosophical aspect of martial arts? The aim of self improvement over the aim of "kicking ass"?
Aim first to understand; then to be understood.

#154746 - 07/08/05 12:14 AM Re: Streetfighting trend [Re: SANCHIN31]
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Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 154
From the problem with the streetfighting mindset.


One would think that by training in "street" orientated martial arts, or combatives that emphasize the self defense aspects of martial arts, to the exclusion of what they deem to be "sports" training, that these types of individuals would gain more confidence, more peace, more happiness, and become more comfortable within them as their skills at 'self-defense' grew. Unfortunately, it has been my experience that the opposite seems to be true. Individuals that come to strictly "street" orientated martial arts, that were already prone to feelings of inadequacy, shame, physiological fear, and paranoia tend to have those qualities magnified by such training, rather then eased.

I wouldn't ask anyone to take my word for it with that assessment. Instead I would suggest one visit the nearest "mercenary" convention, combatives or "street" martial arts forums, or speak with these individuals in person. This sadness, anger, and immense fear is palpable when you are forced to spend anytime around these types of individuals. Try reading the posts at the "street" forums. Many tend to read like angry notes from disgruntled 13-year-old boys. There is talk of "tearing out the mo-fo's eyes", biting, and various vicious things that can be done to the attackers. The posts speak to an intense anger and fear in the writers, and sadly, the Instructors of such curriculums cater to this need by exploiting their target audiences obvious weakness, and emotional frailty.

Grappler or not you are a terrible martial artist IMO.-sanchin31, friend to all children

#154747 - 07/08/05 03:56 PM Re: Streetfighting trend [Re: Ubermint]
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Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 13
I've read the full version of this article and it appears to consist of nothing more than uncorroborated personal opinions and bland assertions. There is not an iota of evidence to back up any of the author's claims, which furthermore appear to be unqualified. I find that this extract in particular:

"Regards the stick fighting, to actually be able to fight with a stick one would have to start by throwing out the majority of the "Kali" that is typically taught, and almost all the 'drills', which are little more then two man Kata which teach one what not to do."

detracts from much of the author's credibility. He does not understand what the kali drills are supposed to teach. Anyone who has spent even a couple of hours on kali knows what the 2-man drills are meant to teach.

There are a myriad reasons to doubt all of the author's claims, but I can't be bothered to waste any more time on this piece of rubbish, which appears to be a hapless but bold piece of magazine "filler".

#154748 - 07/27/05 01:07 PM Re: Streetfighting trend [Re: MG26]
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 3
Loc: germany
Let us not forget that this topic has had a life of its own scince and before the dynastys, and like every combative study it is born out of fear, and most people do the arts to better themselfs and gain a higher learning to become fitter, what we miss is the mental development, we can not teach a destructrive disipline, throw them in a ring a say fight see whos better. it is just not right, sculpt their minds as well. if it means a serious discusion about brawls then so be it. By the way nobady wins in a fight real or fake.
Time is a gift do not squander it

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