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#154626 - 06/10/05 03:35 PM Sport Defense
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A poll suggested by Kintama:
I practice for sport MA, but I think my skill's effectiveness for self-defense in a real attack would be...
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#154627 - 06/11/05 04:45 PM Re: Sport Defense [Re: JoelM]
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You guys know that you can type out a reply and/or comment too, right?

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#154628 - 06/11/05 10:24 PM Re: Sport Defense [Re: JoelM]
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We do both in our gym:

* Training for MMA- I think this training is very good MMA Sport Fighter. We train in Muay Thai, Modified Freestlye submission and Greco-Roman wrestling, boxing. We work on takedowns, guard passes, and submissions with/without gound and pound or kicks and punches. We adjust our techniques, tactics, training methods by having instructors who are at the top of their Game.

However if a M.A stopped there- In the sport you only have to worry about one opponent or a weapon and are protected by a referee. In Most casses this fighter will win the situation.

However , about two years ago. We had a young 22 year old talented MMA fighter in Utah from a different school that attented a party , had some words with another young man.

An hour later, Three young men returned to the party and this young fighter was jumped and hit in the back of the head with a baseball bat. He was lucky to be alive, but will never be the same due to the brain damage.


* This why ALL our students must make street combatives their #1 priority. It is our #1 priority. We train in the five ranges of combat. Each student must become proficient in each.





Edited by devinw (06/12/05 02:15 AM)

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#154629 - 06/12/05 10:19 AM Re: Sport Defense [Re: JoelM]
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Of course, I firmly believe that resistive partner training of "sportive" techniques can be applicable in SD, and is one of the quickest ways to gain functional skill.
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#154630 - 06/12/05 06:56 PM Re: Sport Defense [Re: JoelM]
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Dont mean to offend anyone, I m sure there are members that can defend themselves but as to very effective.... that is debatable to say the least.


Edited by MAGr (06/12/05 06:57 PM)

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#154631 - 06/13/05 09:29 AM Re: Sport Defense [Re: JoelM]
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From my experiences(seen, heard and attended) of street fighting have led me to the conclusion you cant really practice self defence properly unless you just fight alot.

You cant really train for situations like being hit by a baseball bat to the back of your head so I think you could just train in what simulates a real fight for example full contact boxing. It will not only make you more skillful but more confident that you can handle situations when people try to hurt you.

And for the multiple opponents.. well I have never been attacked more than 1 people ( knock on wood =) ) but if there are more than 2 people .. your chances are slim with out a weapon as for street fights are very unpredictable in 1 on 1 situations so how unpridictable can they be in 3 on 1 situations! Thats why I think its kinda waste of time..

theres my two cents
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#154632 - 06/13/05 02:08 PM Re: Sport Defense [Re: MAGr]
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MAGr -

If someone do not think their techniques would be very effective, why would anyone bother training? Perhaps I do not understand the context of your statement.

Training that is only "somewhat" effective would seem to be of very little value to me.
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#154633 - 06/13/05 05:25 PM Re: Sport Defense [Re: MattJ]
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MattJ
You are right, I need to rephrase what I said. Its not that the techniques are not effective, you are correct in saying that no one in their right mind would be doing a martial art that they thought was not effective. But there are too many "buts" and "ifs" to say very effective.
What would happen if two of the people who said very effective, met and fought each other? One would lose, and hence his/her technique would become "not as effective as I thought". I dont know if I am making any sense, but I am just saying that there are no perfect techniques....they can all be countered, and so very effective should just be effective.
Unless we are talking about SD against someone who does not know any SD, in that case, I retract my comment and I will switch my vote to very effective!

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#154634 - 06/13/05 06:11 PM Re: Sport Defense [Re: MAGr]
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MAGr -

I see what you mean. There is effectiveness ie; being able to control certain factors (technique in all ranges), and then there is luck, which are all the other, more elusive factors (sun in the eyes, gravel on the sidewalk, opponent's superior skillset/athleticism, etc.) which all contribute to the outcome.

I was referencing my comment strictly to the factors that you CAN control.
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#154635 - 06/14/05 06:54 AM Re: Sport Defense [Re: MattJ]
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The problems here are that its tough to precisely define a "sport" technique.

Example; Chokes are used in "sportive" competition but they are very effective fight enders. Is this sport technique then not effective in "self defense"? Can you see the point?

How do you define sport martial arts? I think such a thing is more than a little grey.

-John

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