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#154434 - 08/25/05 11:56 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: Kintama]
Mark Hill Offline
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Registered: 08/12/04
Posts: 1068
Loc: Australia
Well, beware of El Salvadorians bearing Goats.

All I can say is anything you can get your damned hands on.

This is why I study weapons in Karate - so I can use improvised ones. I have used Sai, Tonfa, Bo, Jo, Bokken. No good with Nunchuku.

In Hapkido, I have seen belts, plus canes and the more traditional weapons. After using a belt, one can use towels, plastic shopping bags as weapons. That's utiitarian.

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#154435 - 09/01/05 02:39 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: Mark Hill]
Xaith Offline
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Registered: 10/12/04
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Computer keyboards work well. I have had the opportunity to use one, and they are made pretty tough.

Anything can be thrown to surprise someone but as far as actual damage goes stuff has to be reasonably hefty or sharp.

Here's an interesting phenomenon: if you weild something like a weapon, no matter what it is, an opponent will usually focus on it. As long as it appears that you know what you're doing, whoever you're fighting is going to look at the cup or magazine or whatever you have in your hand, and therefor be forced to adjust when, instead, you kick them in the shin.

If you smoke, you may find your cigar/cigarette/whatever to be useful when you clinch with another fighter just to burn their bare skin for distraction. Thrusting your cigarette at you're opponents face, even if it doesn't land, will throw up some hot ash, and when it comes down to it, you could even blow smoke in their face to temporarily distract them.

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#154436 - 09/09/05 12:32 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: Xaith]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
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Lots of creativity... Now the next logical question is how many of you have practiced w/ Improvised Weapons?

It's OK to say "I'll hit him w/ my key board" or "I'll throw my stapler @ his head" but there's a world of difference between someone using a stick as a club and another who has shinai/jo/arnis skills.

How many of you have a "Kobutan"(C) key-ring & really know how to use it in the most effective manner?
How many could use that letter opener as an edged weapon as opposed to just pointing & threatening w/ it?
Do your nunchaku skills really translate to effective belt techniques?
Does a shoe really make an acceptable "punching glove"? (I actually saw this in a MA mag a while back)

Ex: Keys between the fingers is good but used w/ a hook punch seems less effective than a strait punch.

Anyone out there w/ other training suggestions? (maybe watching lots of Jackie Chan movies)

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#154437 - 09/09/05 02:21 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: hedkikr]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
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This post seems to turn on a more serious note...perhaps a new thread?

Are you pointing the question to those who practice in weapons, or looking for those who have actually used weapons (and, therefore, are qualified to say if something really works).

Quote:

Lots of creativity... Now the next logical question is how many of you have practiced w/ Improvised Weapons?

It's OK to say "I'll hit him w/ my key board" or "I'll throw my stapler @ his head" but there's a world of difference between someone using a stick as a club and another who has shinai/jo/arnis skills.

How many of you have a "Kobutan"(C) key-ring & really know how to use it in the most effective manner?
How many could use that letter opener as an edged weapon as opposed to just pointing & threatening w/ it?
Do your nunchaku skills really translate to effective belt techniques?
Does a shoe really make an acceptable "punching glove"? (I actually saw this in a MA mag a while back)

Ex: Keys between the fingers is good but used w/ a hook punch seems less effective than a strait punch.

Anyone out there w/ other training suggestions? (maybe watching lots of Jackie Chan movies)



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#154438 - 09/09/05 03:49 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: harlan]
Kintama Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
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Loc: Massachusetts

maybe the point is, if you've had bo training - then you'd be more likely to be able to actually use a broom handle as a weapon and not only have the imagination to just think of it.

that being said...what qualifies someone to use livestock as a weapon?

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#154439 - 09/09/05 05:09 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: Kintama]
Reiki Offline
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Quote:


maybe the point is, if you've had bo training - then you'd be more likely to be able to actually use a broom handle as a weapon and not only have the imagination to just think of it.

that being said...what qualifies someone to use livestock as a weapon?





agree that if you are used to using one form of a weapon on picking up a slightly different form [ie a broom or pool cue] you will hopefully fall into learned responses and actions.

---> you've obviously never wrestled with a sheep or a goat before They make fine flails. So do dogs.
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#154440 - 09/09/05 05:11 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: Kintama]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
I got the point. MY point is how is one to discuss whether or not one's kubaton kata/training, bo training is effective...unless one has used it on someone? And who is going to discuss that?

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#154441 - 09/09/05 07:49 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: harlan]
Kintama Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts
{FfwumPp!} well, that welt which you just left on my forehead was pretty effective. what WAS that? a curtain rod?

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#154442 - 09/09/05 07:53 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: Kintama]
harlan Offline
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Registered: 07/31/04
Posts: 6664
Loc: Amherst, MA
(Careful, Kin...or folks might think we are married! )

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#154443 - 09/09/05 08:04 PM Re: Improvised Weapons [Re: harlan]
Kintama Offline
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Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts
you...you...mean.....YOU WANT A DIVORCE!!?? WWWAAGGGHHHH...what about the children...what about the laundry....WHO WILL FEED THE DD{bottom lip quivers}DDOG? say it ain't so baby! say it aint soooooo.....

lol. no we aren't. ...yet.


{kidding again, I just like the shock value}

sorry...this concludes another episode from "As the stomach turns..." we now resume "Improvised Weapons"

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