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#154260 - 06/09/05 02:25 PM What kung fu weapons have you learned?
18lohans Offline
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Registered: 01/16/05
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Since weapons are an exciting part in one's training, I thought it'd be fun to see which kung fu weapons are represented here. Maybe we could list which weapons we're waiting to learn as well? (Hope this thread is not more pertinent to the weapons forum, as I'm aiming more specifically towards kung fu practicioners)

I've studied the WC long pole, NS broadsword, staff, and spear so far. I've also learned a spear vs sword set. Really looking forward to learning straight sword and three section staff.

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#154261 - 06/09/05 02:45 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
coxne Offline
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Registered: 07/28/04
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Loc: Ohio, USA
Fortunately, and unfortunately, my kung fu weapons training is going to be at a stand still for a while. 2 weeks ago, I joined the Marine Corps, so for at least 4 years my kung fu training will be put on hold and will take Marine Corps Martial Arts in the mean time. When my time is done, I plan on returning to continue training. But for the purpose of this thread:

learned/learning:
staff
short stick
some (very little) chainwhip stuff
a little broadswoard
some nunchaku (didn't much care for them)

If I rank up before being sent to basic (Sep 26), I will learn some more broadsword.

After the corps, I am looking forward to learning drunken spear, drunken cane, strait sword and kwan dao (i want sword and chain whip to be my favorite weapons.)

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#154262 - 06/09/05 03:30 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: coxne]
DefenselessChild Offline
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nunchaku aren't chinese I thought...

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#154263 - 06/09/05 04:48 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
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Originally, supposedly (haven't read much into it), it was developed in gong fu.
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#154264 - 06/09/05 05:17 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
Pess Offline
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I've learned the basics of Broadsword, Straight Sword, Staff, Spear, Long Spear. The first and the last are my two favorites though ^_^

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#154265 - 06/09/05 09:02 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: Pess]
18lohans Offline
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coxne, you got to learn whipchain before even completing broadsword training??

and pess, what is the difference between the spear and the long spear?

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#154266 - 06/10/05 08:16 AM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
coxne Offline
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I know nunchaku aren't chinese, but I train with a neighbor in the summer who takes tkd and they study them in his school.

lohan,
I have only learned very little, basic spins change of directions, and a few attacks. Nothing serious and there is no way I can do a form with what I know. One of the upper ranks showed me because I was interested and sifu said it was okay. They won't teach me the form until way later.

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#154267 - 06/10/05 09:23 AM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
Pess Offline
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The main difference is that your angles have to be a lot more precise, and you can't do as many of the fancy techniques. I personally use a length of around 9 feet. You can't do as many horizontal swipes as you could with a normal spear, due to the problem of there being stuff around you. So when you attack, it's almost all thrusting motions. For example, you thrust down to your opponents foot, and then whirl the tip up to the head. When I spar with friends, most of the time I'll thrust to one place, and then quickly switch to another, so it almost becomes like a slashing motion. There are also a lot of deceptive distance tricks. Take for example your standard spear lunge, both hands together at the very end, you know the one. What you can do is step forward with your back foot into one of those twisty stances(Dragon stance?) and at the same time, pull the rear hand backward and let the spear slide through the first hand, so when you finish, your sort of holding your arms straight out in opposite directions. You wait a split second, and then step through and lunge again. Because you pull the spear back a lot more than you stepped forward, and people follow the spear, at least in my experience, they will have thought you actually moved backwards instead of forwards. I can gain maybe about two and half feet against someone without knowing ^_^ The thing is, with long spear, your hands are sliding along the spear almost constantly, to adjust to the distance your opponent is at. There are very few static grips once you start going. Those are the main differences I can think of ^_^

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#154268 - 06/10/05 02:52 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: Pess]
ShaolinChaunFa Offline
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......Gwan...Dyun Gwan...Saam jit Gwan(3 sectional staff) Leung Jit Gwan ( 2 sectional staff)....and Gim!..

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#154269 - 06/10/05 03:31 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
DefenselessChild Offline
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Registered: 03/16/05
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I'm looking forward to Army Sword...that thing similar to a KwanDo.

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#154270 - 06/10/05 08:34 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: DefenselessChild]
pathfinder7195 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/05
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Loc: T.C Michigan, U.S
Staff, broadsword, straight sword, kwan do, hook swords, sais some chain whip and monks spade.
The two I like the best is the hook swords and chain whip.

Kevin

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#154271 - 06/11/05 10:11 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
Bushi_no_ki Offline
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I guess you could say I've "learned" the Tai Chi Sword, but that's only because it is so similar to a rapier that you would use it like a rapier. The only real adjustment to it is the exact positioning of how you hold it.

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#154272 - 06/12/05 03:25 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
Fangshendo Offline
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Registered: 05/23/05
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Loc: Ottawa Ontario Canada
I have just passed my level 1 weapons using Cali sticks.I also study the Bo and Bokan.Knife and Tonfa to come.

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#154273 - 06/14/05 05:37 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: Fangshendo]
18lohans Offline
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I see that some of you started learning soft weapons without going through all the "hard" weapons. I kind of wanted to take a stab at the three section staff, having had only long pole, staff, spear and broadsword experience. Do you guys think its doable?

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#154274 - 06/14/05 05:53 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
MAGr Offline
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I cant answer your question mate. But I have a question for you: how did you find the WC pole, there are only about 10 moves no? What is the application like? Also did you learn any drills against butterfly swords?
I ve learned the shaolin butterfly sword form but the one I want is the wing chun form, that is the dogs boll...!
Unfortunately I have about 3-4 years of training before that!

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#154275 - 06/14/05 05:59 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: MAGr]
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I found the WC pole very hard to learn, but valuable. It taught me a lot about precision and power. It was my first weapon actually. The form officially has 6 and 1/2 techniques (hence the name Luk Dim Ban Kwun, which is literally 6 1/2 pole). But I think my sifu's sifu added a hyun sao section to it. I didn't get to learn it. And I was really anxious to learn the WC knives. But no one was ready to learn them at the time, so no, I didn't learn any drills agains the knives. I have seen the sifu bring out the knives and show us some stuff though. I left my WC school when I started oging to college. One of my old kung fu brother goes to the same school as me, and he informed me taht some students are learning the knives now. But even so, the knives are kept somewhat secretive even from other students. And from waht I've heard, the knife forms vary a lot within the yip man's students.

I'd imagine the shaolin butterfly sword to be much funner. Mind telling me more about it? (I've had a pair of knives sitting around for years, just waiting for the WC form). I suppose I wouldn't mind learning a shaolin version of it for now.

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#154276 - 06/14/05 06:34 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
MAGr Offline
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Ok the shaolin form:
Firstly all the moves involve low shaolin stances. You start off with knives together then you do a parry. Then there is one front kick and as you sink into the low stance you flip the swords out and seperate them whilst performing a cutting strike. After that there are a lot of slashing movements, sweeping movements, some twirling with the weapon trap and your thumb. There is also the classic shaolin pose: standing on one leg, other leg lifted so foot is touching knee, one arm by the thigh of the lifted leg, and the other arm high in the air. From that position you jump and sink into the low stance (killing your back in the process). The shaolin one looks really flashy but has little practical value, its more wushu if you know what I mean.
Its harder than the WC one in the sense that its more physical and there are more moves but its easier than the WC in a more fundamental sense.
The WC one is easier to learn and harder to master, if that makes sense, and its also more practical in terms of using an actual live blade.
Also, the transitionary moves are inspired and positioning is paramount. I ve seen it performed by my sifu and it just looks more controlled than the shaolin one.

Having said that, the shaolin form is brilliant for being able to control your movements and energy because there are a lot of wide moves and stances where you have to pause.

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#154277 - 06/14/05 07:21 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: MAGr]
18lohans Offline
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Sounds interesting. And being a practicioner of both Shaolin and WC, I really know what you mean by physically demanding/applicable. Mind if I ask how you learned the Shaolin set?

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#154278 - 06/14/05 07:50 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: 18lohans]
MAGr Offline
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from a book! lol
Just joking!
My sifu taught me, he said that he would teach me the shaolin form, but not the wing chun form because the WC is an extention of the empty hands form and without mastering the one you wont get the benefits of the other.

Thanks for the "melting pot" reply, very informative! I will look into what you suggested, I would love to find out about other kung fu styles. Slowly but surely!

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#154279 - 06/23/05 06:44 PM Re: What kung fu weapons have you learned? [Re: MAGr]
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Registered: 01/28/05
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Loc: UT
Broadsword/spear....most of my chinese weapons training has focused there. Learn a broadsword vs spear form..and other forms and tech.---I'm hoping to learn the Monk spade....that looks crazy...I've also learned the long staff.

Maybe not chinese but I've also worked with nunchaku and sais.
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