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#154141 - 06/09/05 06:30 AM
Self defense scenario
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Former Moderator
Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
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You are out of town and pull into a gas station at night.After filling up you walk to the store to pay.?You are approached by two slightly drunk guys holding bottles.(you weren't aware until they were close) One asks you for change while the other nervously looks around.You don't know what their intentions are,but several things are running through your mind.What would you say or do? This happened to me,I'll tell you the rest later. 
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#154142 - 06/09/05 06:40 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Prolific
Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10813
Loc: North Carolina
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Is it day or night? Busy store or not (and isolated)? All of these details factor in.
First of all, I would use my debit card and pay at the pump, eliminating the need to go into the store. If approached, I'd tell them I don't have any spare change.
Otherwise either leave if you can or barring that for whatever reason, go into the store and tell the proprietor whats going on. He can call the police. That would be the right thing for the proprietor to do anyway because if not, these guys would likely continue to harass customers. They don't need to be loitering around a store giving patrons a hard time.
-John
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#154143 - 06/09/05 06:43 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: JKogas]
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Former Moderator
Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
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1st sentence(it's night). The store was not totally isolated,but not on a busy road either.
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#154144 - 06/09/05 07:27 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Prolific
Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
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I tell them i will give them some change from my payment for the gas (you are on your way to pay). Ask them to wait and manouver round them at a reasonable distance. Be friendly, but make it aware you are deeply suspicious and on guard. Go into the store, ask the attendant if he knows them, If he does, get an opinion on their motives- he may well say the always beg/hassle customers and regularely get told to get lost with no come back, if so, you have quantified the threat. If he doesnt know them, make a point of getting the attendant to pick up and talk into a phone looking at them and in plain sight, the idea being to make them uncomfortable and leave. If the attendant wont do it, ask to use the phone yourself, or use your mobile (in the store should be ok). If they dont leave, dont leave the store and contact the cops for real, or wait for another person to be on the forecourt and walk briskly to your car and escape with witnesses around.
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#154145 - 06/09/05 07:41 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: Cord]
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Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
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Whenever I am approached by people like that, I always play dumb. I either pretend that I am looking for something, or even drunk myself,"man.... I wish I had some change, then i could pay for my gas and maybe get another beer!" or something along those lines. I would also try and stay as close as possible to other people. I would pay very close attention to the guy who is not looking around nervously, usually the guy who does the talking is the one who hits first.
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#154146 - 06/09/05 12:46 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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breaks things
Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 4370
Loc: Woodbury NJ
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First thing that comes to my mind would be to make sure they were both in front of me so they couldn't blind side from the side or my back.....that would be the first.
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The way of the warrior does not include other ways... Miyamoto Musashi
Schanne
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#154147 - 06/09/05 01:18 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: schanne]
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does unto others before they do unto him
Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 637
Loc: ny usa
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the bottles worry me.... in the couple of times that unarmed people have approached me like this, I have found that a direct confrontation, in a not too agressive manner, seems to work. they expect you to be scared, and they aren't really muggers, or they would have real arms. so they are looking for an easy mark. I would politly say that I can't help them, and ask the store manager to call the cops, if I think that they are threatening enough. I would do what I could to make them feel that I am not at all intimidated by them.
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#154148 - 06/09/05 11:06 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Professional Poster
Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 2643
Loc: Texas, USA
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Break the wrists and walk away, break the wrists and walk away 
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#154149 - 06/09/05 11:32 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: Cord]
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Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
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You all gave some pretty good advice.IMO Cord's was the best.
Here's what I did.I took a couple of steps backward and said loudly that "I have no change.!" I walked quickly around the outside of them and went in the store.I didn't say anything to the clerk,but went to the back and looked through the store for 5minutes.I went and paid and looked to see where they were.They were back up against the store so I walked briskly out to my car.They were mouthing,but were too far to do anything.I didn't feel like standing that close to them so that was my best reaction off the top of my head.Worked I guess.
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#154150 - 06/10/05 12:03 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Professional Poster
Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts
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For something like that situation, When I was younger, I was crazy enough to use a mix of humor,confusion and surprize. (off-balencing with words).
I keep walking and would say something like "sorry mon, I need what I got fa some rock!"
nowadays, I probably would make sure I have my keys in hand with the largest key sticking thru my fist...keep walking even around them if I need to, just be emotionless and say "No, I'm broke."
If they continue to harrass when I walk back out, I turn around walk back in the store and do what Cord said.
don't show fear is the key ..fear has an unmistakable scent.
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#154151 - 06/10/05 04:14 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: globetrotter]
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Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
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The bottles could put you at an advantage. If someone is openly holding a weapon as a threat, they a)have no confidence in their abilities without it (are scared of confrontation), and b) will always strike with the weapon first. This means they have cut their opening attack possibilities from four (all limbs) to one (the hand holding the bottle) Much more predictable.
Admitedly, two on one is never good odds (notice fighting them was never in my initial answer) but the bottles dont make me more worried.
As a door supervisor it is often the case that people you ask or persuade to leave a premises are holding a glass or bottle. I have been hit with two bottles in these scenarios, neither of them broke (maybe I have a soft head?) and I was able to grab the problem arm and control the danger. A pint glass is more of a threat than a bottle in my experience, but I have been fortunate in avoiding injury from those.
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#154155 - 06/10/05 12:08 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Professional Poster
Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 3260
Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
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In a situation like that I usually will give them a dollar or change, sometimes. I usually will say that I'll catch them after I pay for my gas. On the way out I'll let them approach me again, usually I'll tell them, "hold it right there. Let me get some money out"., While I get off the phone, but mostly controlling there distance. I'll pull my coat or jacket back exposing my conceal carry 40 s&w or 9mm, hand extended again controlling there distance and they are now stepping back eye wide. I'll hand them a $ and changes. The predator look fades to graditude and "Thank you sir". Once a cop you always think control distance and the situation though its two them with a bottle and drunk. Mentally change their mind without becoming aggressive but stay in control. It can take the play away from them, they don'tfeel in control and alot time won't get aggressive even if they wanted to initally. Even in the rare situation without my carry weapon, I control the distance and the situation. I usally will ask them to stay a certain distance away, by saying "Hold it right there until I get my whatever out". Hand jestures to position them. If they don't comply, you know their coming at you, so there is no real surprises. Sanchin321 U handled the sitation well or you got lucky. 
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#154156 - 06/10/05 06:22 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: Belnick]
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Professional Poster
Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
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I would slide my right hand into my pocket and slid on my spiked brass knuckle
You carry spiked brass knuckles with you all of the time? Is your area that bad?
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then again I doubt I would stop and gas at night, u got the extra in the trunk so if u need gas in the night use that...
Am I the only one who thinks carrying a can full of gas in your trunk is a bad idea? That's what I've always been told.
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#154157 - 06/10/05 06:47 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: JoelM]
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Former Moderator
Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
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I had a 3inch lockblade in my pocket,but I think pulling any weapon would escalate the situation which obviously could have been avoided.
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#154158 - 06/11/05 02:28 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 294
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Lets see, drunk guys at night with bottles in hand asking for money to get drunker. I would have noticed them before I finished filling up and if they approched me as I was walking to pay I would have keep walking and as I passed I would have said no! nice and loud and kept walking as I stayed a tuned to there movement. Then watched them as I paid and walked with confidence to my car.
Drunk people are unpredictable and should be watched but they are still drunk and are easy to handle most of the time.
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#154159 - 06/11/05 02:39 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Professional Poster
Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 2643
Loc: Texas, USA
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I generally tell the truth,"Sorry, I don't carry cash" Which is true, I never have cash on me-just my trusty Visa checkcard. Averting an attempted mugging, priceless! Visa, everywhere you want to be.
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I'm sorry, I was just imaging what you would look like with duct tape over your mouth
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#154160 - 06/11/05 05:05 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: globetrotter]
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Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 92
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the bottles worry me.... in the couple of times that unarmed people have approached me like this, I have found that a direct confrontation, in a not too agressive manner, seems to work. they expect you to be scared, and they aren't really muggers, or they would have real arms. so they are looking for an easy mark. I would politly say that I can't help them, and ask the store manager to call the cops, if I think that they are threatening enough. I would do what I could to make them feel that I am not at all intimidated by them.
I agree with globetrotter I would do the same thing most times they are testing you or feeling you out if you are scared or intimidated they are looking for a target with the less possible threat or resistance that will easily comply with what they want. But you also have to smart too because if they dont back down there must be a reason meaning they might have a knife or gun then I would advise you to just avoid them as much as possible and get the heck out of there. One situation happened to me was one time late at night I was in my car at a stop light behind another car. The light turned green and he didnt move so I waited for awhile then I honked my horn then all of a sudden he opens his door and comes half way out of his car cussing and swearing at me and wanting to fight me I looked at his arm and he has a huge cast around his arm and a ankle brace on his leg instantly I knew that this guy must be packing some kind of weapon cause theres no way in hell that he would challenge me and beat me up with a cast on his hand and a ankle brace on his leg. So I did the smart thing and just drove off. Later I found out who that guy was and they said I did the right thing because he was packing a 38 special close call. Thats why you gotta know when to fight and when not too cause you can be the best martail arts fighter in the world but you cant beat no gun. Also one time my friend told me that he practices the ultimate martial art style that no one can beat and I was very excited to hear what this ultimate style this was and he said its called GUN FU lol we had a good laugh but realized that its true.
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#154161 - 06/11/05 06:33 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: Rumble]
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Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
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Also one time my friend told me that he practices the ultimate martial art style that no one can beat and I was very excited to hear what this ultimate style this was and he said its called GUN FU lol we had a good laugh but realized that its true.
A gun can be just as deadly for the person carrying it as the one he would use it against without the proper training.
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#154164 - 06/14/05 07:18 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: Cord]
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Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
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#154165 - 06/14/05 12:54 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: Cord]
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Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 1165
Loc: SWEDEN
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Ah Belnick, you crazy black metal scandinavians are highly strung arent you All 'Kiss' makeup and church burning whilst heavily armed, what do you guys drink?
me ?
viking mead
http://www.blue-n-gold.com/halfdan/meadrecp.htm
na I drink milk and juice...
scanned in my knuckles in the scanner, could not close the top so the picture did not come out that good, the spikes go ^^^^ more than that is shown on the pic, it is a nasty thing and feels great 
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/259163/spikes.JPG
Yes,it was discussing your religious views again! But now it's gone!  NO MORE.
Edited by SANCHIN31 (06/14/05 06:23 PM)
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#154166 - 06/23/05 12:41 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Newbie
Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 6
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Do people still attack each other with bottles like the old western movies? Of all the things they could use for weapons they actually find old bottles?
I guess I would laugh at the two drunks first. If needed I think I could get away from two drunks swinging corona bottles.
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#154167 - 06/23/05 02:33 AM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Member
Registered: 04/23/05
Posts: 68
Loc: Wilmington NC, United States
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First of all, if you see someone nervously looking around like that, something is about to go down, so you have that split second to decide what you're going to do.
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#154169 - 06/25/05 11:51 PM
Re: Self defense scenario
[Re: SANCHIN31]
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Professional Poster
Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
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My senses would heighten, when asked I would reply that I put it all in the tank and if approached physically afterwards the I would lay waste to the junkies.
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