FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 42 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
TomRosenberg, jessylin, play, Keith_G, LeroyCFischer
22937 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
jwwmantis 2
futsaowingchun 1
Zombie Zero 1
Beefcake 1
LeroyCFischer 1
December
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
New Topics
Freeing Hand-Wing Chun's last movements
by futsaowingchun
12/17/14 09:40 PM
2015 Master Yang Jwing-Ming Seminar
by jwwmantis
12/05/14 10:36 PM
The Beginners Guide To Stretching
by
12/27/06 11:43 AM
Your true goal
by
03/03/06 07:16 AM
Recent Posts
Freeing Hand-Wing Chun's last movements
by futsaowingchun
12/17/14 09:40 PM
Your true goal
by Beefcake
12/11/14 02:44 AM
The Beginners Guide To Stretching
by LeroyCFischer
12/04/14 02:07 AM
Forum Stats
22937 Members
36 Forums
35591 Topics
432526 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#154141 - 06/09/05 06:30 AM Self defense scenario
SANCHIN31 Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
You are out of town and pull into a gas station at night.After filling up you walk to the store to pay.?You are approached by two slightly drunk guys holding bottles.(you weren't aware until they were close) One asks you for change while the other nervously looks around.You don't know what their intentions are,but several things are running through your mind.What would you say or do?
This happened to me,I'll tell you the rest later.
_________________________
Skinny,Bald,and Handsome! Fightingarts Warrior of the year

Top
#154142 - 06/09/05 06:40 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
JKogas Offline
Prolific

Registered: 01/25/03
Posts: 10818
Loc: North Carolina
Is it day or night? Busy store or not (and isolated)? All of these details factor in.

First of all, I would use my debit card and pay at the pump, eliminating the need to go into the store. If approached, I'd tell them I don't have any spare change.

Otherwise either leave if you can or barring that for whatever reason, go into the store and tell the proprietor whats going on. He can call the police. That would be the right thing for the proprietor to do anyway because if not, these guys would likely continue to harass customers. They don't need to be loitering around a store giving patrons a hard time.


-John

Top
#154143 - 06/09/05 06:43 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: JKogas]
SANCHIN31 Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
1st sentence(it's night). The store was not totally isolated,but not on a busy road either.
_________________________
Skinny,Bald,and Handsome! Fightingarts Warrior of the year

Top
#154144 - 06/09/05 07:27 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
Cord Offline
Prolific

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
I tell them i will give them some change from my payment for the gas (you are on your way to pay). Ask them to wait and manouver round them at a reasonable distance. Be friendly, but make it aware you are deeply suspicious and on guard. Go into the store, ask the attendant if he knows them, If he does, get an opinion on their motives- he may well say the always beg/hassle customers and regularely get told to get lost with no come back, if so, you have quantified the threat. If he doesnt know them, make a point of getting the attendant to pick up and talk into a phone looking at them and in plain sight, the idea being to make them uncomfortable and leave. If the attendant wont do it, ask to use the phone yourself, or use your mobile (in the store should be ok). If they dont leave, dont leave the store and contact the cops for real, or wait for another person to be on the forecourt and walk briskly to your car and escape with witnesses around.
_________________________
Don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya'
http://cord.mybrute.com

Top
#154145 - 06/09/05 07:41 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Cord]
MAGr Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
Whenever I am approached by people like that, I always play dumb. I either pretend that I am looking for something, or even drunk myself,"man.... I wish I had some change, then i could pay for my gas and maybe get another beer!" or something along those lines. I would also try and stay as close as possible to other people. I would pay very close attention to the guy who is not looking around nervously, usually the guy who does the talking is the one who hits first.

Top
#154146 - 06/09/05 12:46 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
schanne Offline
breaks things

Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 4370
Loc: Woodbury NJ
First thing that comes to my mind would be to make sure they were both in front of me so they couldn't blind side from the side or my back.....that would be the first.
_________________________
The way of the warrior does not include other ways... Miyamoto Musashi Schanne

Top
#154147 - 06/09/05 01:18 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: schanne]
globetrotter Offline
does unto others before they do unto him

Registered: 01/10/05
Posts: 637
Loc: ny usa
the bottles worry me.... in the couple of times that unarmed people have approached me like this, I have found that a direct confrontation, in a not too agressive manner, seems to work. they expect you to be scared, and they aren't really muggers, or they would have real arms. so they are looking for an easy mark. I would politly say that I can't help them, and ask the store manager to call the cops, if I think that they are threatening enough. I would do what I could to make them feel that I am not at all intimidated by them.

Top
#154148 - 06/09/05 11:06 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
nekogami13 V2.0 Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 2643
Loc: Texas, USA
Break the wrists and walk away, break the wrists and walk away
_________________________
I'm sorry, I was just imaging what you would look like with duct tape over your mouth

Top
#154149 - 06/09/05 11:32 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Cord]
SANCHIN31 Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
You all gave some pretty good advice.IMO Cord's was the best.
Here's what I did.I took a couple of steps backward and said loudly that "I have no change.!" I walked quickly around the outside of them and went in the store.I didn't say anything to the clerk,but went to the back and looked through the store for 5minutes.I went and paid and looked to see where they were.They were back up against the store so I walked briskly out to my car.They were mouthing,but were too far to do anything.I didn't feel like standing that close to them so that was my best reaction off the top of my head.Worked I guess.
_________________________
Skinny,Bald,and Handsome! Fightingarts Warrior of the year

Top
#154150 - 06/10/05 12:03 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
Kintama Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 04/17/05
Posts: 2724
Loc: Massachusetts
For something like that situation, When I was younger, I was crazy enough to use a mix of humor,confusion and surprize. (off-balencing with words).
I keep walking and would say something like "sorry mon, I need what I got fa some rock!"

nowadays, I probably would make sure I have my keys in hand with the largest key sticking thru my fist...keep walking even around them if I need to, just be emotionless and say "No, I'm broke."

If they continue to harrass when I walk back out, I turn around walk back in the store and do what Cord said.

don't show fear is the key ..fear has an unmistakable scent.

Top
#154151 - 06/10/05 04:14 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: globetrotter]
Cord Offline
Prolific

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
The bottles could put you at an advantage. If someone is openly holding a weapon as a threat, they a)have no confidence in their abilities without it (are scared of confrontation), and b) will always strike with the weapon first. This means they have cut their opening attack possibilities from four (all limbs) to one (the hand holding the bottle) Much more predictable.
Admitedly, two on one is never good odds (notice fighting them was never in my initial answer) but the bottles dont make me more worried.
As a door supervisor it is often the case that people you ask or persuade to leave a premises are holding a glass or bottle. I have been hit with two bottles in these scenarios, neither of them broke (maybe I have a soft head?) and I was able to grab the problem arm and control the danger. A pint glass is more of a threat than a bottle in my experience, but I have been fortunate in avoiding injury from those.
_________________________
Don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya'
http://cord.mybrute.com

Top
#154152 - 06/10/05 04:49 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Cord]
SANCHIN31 Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
Quote:

As a door supervisor it is often the case that people you ask or persuade to leave a premises are holding a glass or bottle. I have been hit with two bottles in these scenarios, neither of them broke (maybe I have a soft head?) and I was able to grab the problem arm and control the danger. A pint glass is more of a threat than a bottle in my experience, but I have been fortunate in avoiding injury from those.







One quick point here. Most untrained people do not know how to hit.They usally just strike the surface without the follow through. That may be why the bottles didn't break.I fought a jock in H.S. who was bigger than me,he didn't know how to punch though.He only hit the surface on me while I had a follow through.I had quite a rep for about two weeks.

I see your point about the bottles showing their weakness,plus the fact that they had to do it together.They also had to "drink" their way up to confronting people.I doubt you would see either one of them alone,sober,and unarmed attempting the same thing.
_________________________
Skinny,Bald,and Handsome! Fightingarts Warrior of the year

Top
#154153 - 06/10/05 06:44 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
Belnick Offline
Veteran

Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 1165
Loc: SWEDEN
Quote:

You are out of town and pull into a gas station at night.After filling up you walk to the store to pay.?You are approached by two slightly drunk guys holding bottles.(you weren't aware until they were close) One asks you for change while the other nervously looks around.You don't know what their intentions are,but several things are running through your mind.What would you say or do?
This happened to me,I'll tell you the rest later.




I would slide my right hand into my pocket and slid on my spiked brass knuckle and tell them to get out of my face loud, if they had not stepped back I would have brought my hand out to show the spikes on my hand, if they had not backed off then I would have shuved the guy infront with left hand while "aiming" the spikes, from there I don't know, if I felt they threaten my life I would have made the strike or fold and throw the elbow instead of the spikes

then again I doubt I would stop and gas at night, u got the extra in the trunk so if u need gas in the night use that...
_________________________
the only one being punished for posting more than one post in 60 minutes

Top
#154154 - 06/10/05 09:50 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Belnick]
MAGr Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
sounds like fun man!

Top
#154155 - 06/10/05 12:08 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
Neko456 Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 3260
Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
In a situation like that I usually will give them a dollar or change, sometimes. I usually will say that I'll catch them after I pay for my gas. On the way out I'll let them approach me again, usually I'll tell them, "hold it right there. Let me get some money out"., While I get off the phone, but mostly controlling there distance. I'll pull my coat or jacket back exposing my conceal carry 40 s&w or 9mm, hand extended again controlling there distance and they are now stepping back eye wide. I'll hand them a $ and changes. The predator look fades to graditude and "Thank you sir". Once a cop you always think control distance and the situation though its two them with a bottle and drunk. Mentally change their mind without becoming aggressive but stay in control. It can take the play away from them, they don'tfeel in control and alot time won't get aggressive even if they wanted to initally.

Even in the rare situation without my carry weapon, I control the distance and the situation. I usally will ask them to stay a certain distance away, by saying "Hold it right there until I get my whatever out". Hand jestures to position them. If they don't comply, you know their coming at you, so there is no real surprises.

Sanchin321 U handled the sitation well or you got lucky.
_________________________
DBAckerson

Top
#154156 - 06/10/05 06:22 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Belnick]
JoelM Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
Quote:


I would slide my right hand into my pocket and slid on my spiked brass knuckle



You carry spiked brass knuckles with you all of the time? Is your area that bad?

Quote:

then again I doubt I would stop and gas at night, u got the extra in the trunk so if u need gas in the night use that...



Am I the only one who thinks carrying a can full of gas in your trunk is a bad idea? That's what I've always been told.
_________________________
We should all take ourselves seriously...and then crumple that image up and toss it out the window.

Top
#154157 - 06/10/05 06:47 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: JoelM]
SANCHIN31 Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
I had a 3inch lockblade in my pocket,but I think pulling any weapon would escalate the situation which obviously could have been avoided.
_________________________
Skinny,Bald,and Handsome! Fightingarts Warrior of the year

Top
#154158 - 06/11/05 02:28 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
BulldogTKD Offline
Member

Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 294
Lets see, drunk guys at night with bottles in hand asking for money to get drunker. I would have noticed them before I finished filling up and if they approched me as I was walking to pay I would have keep walking and as I passed I would have said no! nice and loud and kept walking as I stayed a tuned to there movement. Then watched them as I paid and walked with confidence to my car.
Drunk people are unpredictable and should be watched but they are still drunk and are easy to handle most of the time.

Top
#154159 - 06/11/05 02:39 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
nekogami13 V2.0 Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 04/10/04
Posts: 2643
Loc: Texas, USA
I generally tell the truth,"Sorry, I don't carry cash"
Which is true, I never have cash on me-just my trusty Visa checkcard.

Averting an attempted mugging, priceless!
Visa, everywhere you want to be.
_________________________
I'm sorry, I was just imaging what you would look like with duct tape over your mouth

Top
#154160 - 06/11/05 05:05 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: globetrotter]
Rumble Offline
Member

Registered: 05/20/05
Posts: 92
Quote:

the bottles worry me.... in the couple of times that unarmed people have approached me like this, I have found that a direct confrontation, in a not too agressive manner, seems to work. they expect you to be scared, and they aren't really muggers, or they would have real arms. so they are looking for an easy mark. I would politly say that I can't help them, and ask the store manager to call the cops, if I think that they are threatening enough. I would do what I could to make them feel that I am not at all intimidated by them.




I agree with globetrotter I would do the same thing most times they are testing you or feeling you out if you are scared or intimidated they are looking for a target with the less possible threat or resistance that will easily comply with what they want. But you also have to smart too because if they dont back down there must be a reason meaning they might have a knife or gun then I would advise you to just avoid them as much as possible and get the heck out of there. One situation happened to me was one time late at night I was in my car at a stop light behind another car. The light turned green and he didnt move so I waited for awhile then I honked my horn then all of a sudden he opens his door and comes half way out of his car cussing and swearing at me and wanting to fight me I looked at his arm and he has a huge cast around his arm and a ankle brace on his leg instantly I knew that this guy must be packing some kind of weapon cause theres no way in hell that he would challenge me and beat me up with a cast on his hand and a ankle brace on his leg. So I did the smart thing and just drove off. Later I found out who that guy was and they said I did the right thing because he was packing a 38 special close call. Thats why you gotta know when to fight and when not too cause you can be the best martail arts fighter in the world but you cant beat no gun. Also one time my friend told me that he practices the ultimate martial art style that no one can beat and I was very excited to hear what this ultimate style this was and he said its called GUN FU lol we had a good laugh but realized that its true.
_________________________
Talk is cheap take it to the pit.

Top
#154161 - 06/11/05 06:33 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Rumble]
SANCHIN31 Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
Quote:

Also one time my friend told me that he practices the ultimate martial art style that no one can beat and I was very excited to hear what this ultimate style this was and he said its called GUN FU lol we had a good laugh but realized that its true.




A gun can be just as deadly for the person carrying it as the one he would use it against without the proper training.
_________________________
Skinny,Bald,and Handsome! Fightingarts Warrior of the year

Top
#154162 - 06/14/05 06:23 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: JoelM]
Belnick Offline
Veteran

Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 1165
Loc: SWEDEN
Quote:

Quote:


I would slide my right hand into my pocket and slid on my spiked brass knuckle



You carry spiked brass knuckles with you all of the time? Is your area that bad?

Quote:

then again I doubt I would stop and gas at night, u got the extra in the trunk so if u need gas in the night use that...



Am I the only one who thinks carrying a can full of gas in your trunk is a bad idea? That's what I've always been told.




umm lol, thought it was "standard" to carry atleast 5liters in your trunk

and the spiked knuckles are one of my favorite weapon so yea I carry it alot outside, and if I go out at night I have it on me 100% of the time and sometime also a dirk and/or a tazer

if my area is bad, umm, you crime % was higher than the capital had last year
3 or 5th highest in the country I belive and we only got a pop of 15000 in this town heeh
and I know 3 ppl that own illigal guns and carry then, doubt they would ever dare to use them thou, still....
_________________________
the only one being punished for posting more than one post in 60 minutes

Top
#154163 - 06/14/05 07:07 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Belnick]
Cord Offline
Prolific

Registered: 01/13/05
Posts: 11399
Loc: Cambridge UK.
Ah Belnick, you crazy black metal scandinavians are highly strung arent you All 'Kiss' makeup and church burning whilst heavily armed, what do you guys drink?
_________________________
Don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya'
http://cord.mybrute.com

Top
#154164 - 06/14/05 07:18 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Cord]
MAGr Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/11/05
Posts: 1147
Loc: London, home: Athens
gasoline!

Top
#154165 - 06/14/05 12:54 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: Cord]
Belnick Offline
Veteran

Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 1165
Loc: SWEDEN
Quote:

Ah Belnick, you crazy black metal scandinavians are highly strung arent you All 'Kiss' makeup and church burning whilst heavily armed, what do you guys drink?




me ?

viking mead
http://www.blue-n-gold.com/halfdan/meadrecp.htm
na I drink milk and juice...


scanned in my knuckles in the scanner, could not close the top so the picture did not come out that good, the spikes go ^^^^ more than that is shown on the pic, it is a nasty thing and feels great

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/259163/spikes.JPG

Yes,it was discussing your religious views again! But now it's gone! NO MORE.


Edited by SANCHIN31 (06/14/05 06:23 PM)

Top
#154166 - 06/23/05 12:41 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
slapANDscratch Offline
Newbie

Registered: 06/22/05
Posts: 6
Do people still attack each other with bottles like the old western movies? Of all the things they could use for weapons they actually find old bottles?

I guess I would laugh at the two drunks first. If needed I think I could get away from two drunks swinging corona bottles.

Top
#154167 - 06/23/05 02:33 AM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
streetsensei21 Offline
Member

Registered: 04/23/05
Posts: 68
Loc: Wilmington NC, United States
First of all, if you see someone nervously looking around like that, something is about to go down, so you have that split second to decide what you're going to do.

Top
#154168 - 06/23/05 07:00 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: streetsensei21]
SANCHIN31 Offline
Former Moderator

Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3783
Loc: Arkansas, U.S.
Quote:

First of all, if you see someone nervously looking around like that, something is about to go down, so you have that split second to decide what you're going to do.




Ok,so what would you do? You basically said nothing.
_________________________
Skinny,Bald,and Handsome! Fightingarts Warrior of the year

Top
#154169 - 06/25/05 11:51 PM Re: Self defense scenario [Re: SANCHIN31]
Chen Zen Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
My senses would heighten, when asked I would reply that I put it all in the tank and if approached physically afterwards the I would lay waste to the junkies.
_________________________
"When I let Go of who I am, I become who I might be."
Lao Tzu

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  Cord, Dedicated1, MattJ, Reiki 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Ryukyu Art
Artifacts from the Ryukyu Kingdom missing since WWII. Visit www.ShisaLion.Org to view pictures

Best Stun Guns
Self Defense Products-stun guns, pepper spray, tasers and more

Surveillance 4U
Complete surveillance systems for covert operations or secure installation security

Asylum Images
Book presents photo tour of the Trans-Allegany Lunatic Asylum. A must if you're going to take a ghost tour!

 



Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga