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#153958 - 11/18/05 10:31 AM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: Kaver]
fileboy2002 Offline
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Registered: 11/13/05
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You heard wrong. The Soviet Union did not come into existence until 1917--the last year of WWI. Israel was not founded until 1948--three years after WWII ended.


Edited by RangerG (11/21/05 12:32 PM)

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#153959 - 11/18/05 11:37 AM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: fileboy2002]
RangerG Offline
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Quote:

You heard wrong. The Soviet Union did not come into existence until 1917--the last year of WWI. Israel was not founded until 1948--three years after WWII ended.




Whoa...let's be a little more polite Huh?


Edited by RangerG (11/21/05 12:32 PM)
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#153960 - 11/18/05 11:34 PM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: modernwarrior]
RangerG Offline
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After doing a bit of poking and searching...I have met a local man who trains in Systema. He is going to get me the link to their website and give me some insight into the form/art.

The lengths I will go to...to get you folks answers...


Edited by RangerG (11/21/05 12:33 PM)
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#153961 - 11/20/05 08:36 AM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: RangerG]
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The Systema vrs Krav argument has appearded on many forums and always are created by Krav students. Both arts are very different beasts, but have a connection to their nation's millitary as the only real link.

Also though it shares similar principles with taichi, aikido and a thousand other arts if you cannot be bothered to look it is not a symphasis of these styles. Systema developed mainly from tradiional Russian Systems and the Soviet armies own research.

For more information on systema check out my website. At least this will give you some idea of what we are about. Obviously like all arts a site is only a flavour. Try a class to find out what can and cannot be done.

Paul Genge
Russian Martial Arts Northwest (UK)


Edited by RangerG (11/21/05 12:33 PM)

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#153962 - 11/21/05 10:36 AM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: PaulGenge]
RangerG Offline
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Paul,

To be honest..I have never heard a Krav student bash Systema. My experience has been that they are curious and want to see how they are the same or different.

I also do not tolerate bashing of any form or style in my forum...I warn, then lock...and if needed ban.

This forum is for polite discussion of Krav or ANY other defense form.

You are more than welcome to post any Systema information you wish, as well as bring in new members who train in Systema.

Oh...and Welcome!


Edited by RangerG (11/21/05 12:31 PM)
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#153963 - 11/21/05 03:39 PM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: RangerG]
PaulGenge Offline
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The martial art A vrs B threads never go anywhere. It always degenerates into two or more people of opposing view points arguing that their system is correct.

There is plenty of information on both Krav and Systema that even an untrained blind man can see they are vastly different in approach.

The next logical question is then which is best for any particular individual. There is only one answer to this go have a try and make a decission. Any amount of banter on a forum is not going to bring a greater understanding.

That was the point I am trying to make.

It is far more benificial to have a thread that asks specific questions about an art, of someone qualified in it, than have two people who only know of the other art from what they have seen on the net, to compare what they do...

Paul Genge

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#153964 - 11/21/05 04:08 PM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: PaulGenge]
RangerG Offline
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I think we agree.
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#153965 - 02/18/06 04:00 PM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: RangerG]
Rayachick Offline
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Registered: 02/18/06
Posts: 12
Loc: Missouri, USA
Here are some silly yet i feel logical questions.

Is it possible to train in Krav then train in Systema?
Or would one be able train in Systema then Krav?
Or might one who has the resources, be able to train in both?
Or are the styles too different to learn both effectively?

I ask simply becuase when i was learning to fly, i was warned before hand that i should learn a helicopter first then learn a plane becuase it's harder to go from a thing that almost flies itself to something you must control every aspect of, like vertical and horizontal flow, not just horizontal. But if one understands the helicopter first, then flying a plane is learned much more easily with better accuracy.
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#153966 - 02/18/06 04:23 PM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: Rayachick]
RangerG Offline
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Quote:

Here are some silly yet i feel logical questions.

Is it possible to train in Krav then train in Systema?
Or would one be able train in Systema then Krav?
Or might one who has the resources, be able to train in both?
Or are the styles too different to learn both effectively?

I ask simply becuase when i was learning to fly, i was warned before hand that i should learn a helicopter first then learn a plane becuase it's harder to go from a thing that almost flies itself to something you must control every aspect of, like vertical and horizontal flow, not just horizontal. But if one understands the helicopter first, then flying a plane is learned much more easily with better accuracy.




Well to be honest, I trained in fixed wing during my Civil Air Patrol days, then went into the Army and CH-47 Helicopters..I had no problems.

Now about Krav and Systema..I cannot honestly answer that because I have not trained in Systema. They are both Self Defense Systems, not Martial Arts. I would hazard a guess that you should chose one based on your observations and dedicate yourself to it. If you want to take a second form, I would pick a Tradidional Martial Art. This is just based on my own experience and observation of others.
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#153967 - 02/20/06 12:50 PM Re: Krav and Systema [Re: Rayachick]
csinca Offline
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 672
Loc: Southern California
The first question really should be why would you be training in both? Does one lack something that the other would provide you? If you look at what you are really trying to accomplish with your training the answer may come a bit more clearly to you.

I choose to mix Krav with BJJ because I wanted more emphasis on my ground game. In my experience the two make a pretty good mix because at least in my training the focus of the two didn't overlap too much.

I've got fairly limited exposure to Systema but from a "range" point of view it overlaps quite a bit with Krav... The problem I think you will face is which methodology you would want starting just outside of striking range.

Chris

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