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#153938 - 06/08/05 08:05 PM Krav and Systema
modernwarrior Offline
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I have watched and practiced a little bit of both styles and all it seemed was like glorified street fighting very practical if i might add. But what is the difference between the Russian Martial Arts(Systema) and Krav Maga? They bolth are very practical and usefull.

**I edited this post to remove "Vs" in the title. I would rather not add to the debate between these two forms. - RangerG**


Edited by RangerG (11/21/05 12:29 PM)

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#153939 - 06/08/05 11:53 PM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: modernwarrior]
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Systema?

I don't see the connection.
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#153940 - 06/09/05 11:45 AM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: modernwarrior]
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Since I have no idea what Systema is, I would have to google it and do some research.
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#153941 - 06/10/05 12:27 PM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: RangerG]
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Systema is a Russian art, translates into "The System". I'm not really up to speed on the history but in recent history the claim is that Systema was used by the Soviet Special Forces (Spetsnaz).

Krav and Systema are very different though it's hard to explain. The best explanation I can attempt is that Krav tends to work on fewer basic "combatives" and strives for initiative while Systema really works on flow and softness.

From what I've experienced, the training methods are also quite different. Systema incorporates a "slow-motion sparring" which I've never done with any other art.

Chris

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#153942 - 06/13/05 03:05 PM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: modernwarrior]
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If you've ever seen Systema, it is highly influenced by Akido and Taiji. In fact alot of the things are Taiji based, they just take out all the concepts and make it a military art. I've seen them do body sensitivity excercises and even surge punching (fa jing). Interesting, but some of the stuff is just ridiculous, at least from video tapes I've seen (disarming a knife with your stomach?)
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#153943 - 06/17/05 12:10 PM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: Fletch1]
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I don`t think there is any connection between systema and krav maga. The way I see this two arts is that the main focus of systema is relaxation and improvization, while in KM you sort of have set techniques.

I think both arts are great. But like BaguaMonk said, some stuff from systema look ridiculous.

I don`t know how much systema was influenced by taiji and aikido (it does have some similarities), but I heard that it developed from old russian martial arts.
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#153944 - 06/18/05 10:25 AM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: Kosh]
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Quote:

The way I see this two arts is that the main focus of systema is relaxation and improvization, while in KM you sort of have set techniques.




Where is there relaxation in Krav? Our workouts are very intnese and our training is as about as physical as it gets without inflicting serious injury on our training partner.

I see quite a difference between the styles. The thing that is curious to me, is that systema is not what I saw the the Russians doing back in the 60's and 70's when I was in the Army.
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#153945 - 06/22/05 05:38 AM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: RangerG]
Kosh Offline
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I said that there is relaxation in Systema not Krav maga. Sytema can be really intense and physical too, but there is a big emphasis (sp?) on relaxation.

Like I said before I don`t see any connection between them, except maybe that they are both meant for self defence, and were supposedly practiced by the military.
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#153946 - 06/22/05 08:28 PM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: RangerG]
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This site seemed to be a bit more informative.

http://www.systemamartialart.com/

Interesting. I wondered what my counterparts in the old USSR were training in when I was in the Army back in the 70's.
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#153947 - 07/08/05 08:52 AM Re: Krav Vs. Systema [Re: RangerG]
fattts14 Offline
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If anyone still cares...Systema does have some pretty ridiculous stuff, but it works. The only problem is half of the stuff is not allowed in competition. I wouldn't exactly call it relaxing, as I moan and groan due to last nights training. THe teaching methods have a relaxed atmosphere, no yelling and screaming in different languages and stuff. It is supposed to help with accelerated learning and quick comprehension by removing the tension. It does take it's routes from ancient Russia and basicly took the best of all the fighting styles they encountered through all of history (like when the mongols envaded, ancient battles with the turks and persians, etc.) and narrowed it down to the most effective and deadly moves.
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