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#153731 - 06/08/05 11:10 AM Bu (as in Budo )
Sanchin Offline
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In funakoshis karate jutsu he states "Bu" makes up the characters of "Conflict", and "To Stop". Therefore Bu meaning "Stopping conflict" or "to stop conflict"

Other resources state "Bu" as meaning war, warrior, fight, fighter. Not even mention the "conflict" or "to stop" .

Question is, as an american with no real education of asian languages. What do I go by ?

Ever since the what style you do thread, ive been thinking about what I would call "the sum" of all my training within one statement, without causing any confusion. Karate-Do is how I live, while I was looking through karate jutsu I came across his explanation of Budo, and it just clicked... its perfect. So my style is "Karate Budo" the empty hand way of stopping conflict. This works as long as I go by funakoshis definition, but the others, it doesnt fit so well, Budo as in "stopping conflict" encompasses the whole of Mind, Body, and Soul, better than the definition of war, fighter, etc.. I just dont want to look like an idiot by defining Karate Budo as I have, and it be wrong. I imagine this is a problem alot of people face when using terms from other languages.
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#153732 - 06/08/05 11:26 AM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: Sanchin]
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Sanchin,
You are right about the language/culture thing and even the way others outside a given culture view terms. My suggestion is to stop trying to fit your view in how others, no matter how notable, have assigned their ideas into their practice, but to just do it and take what it gives you. Looks like you doing a good job already.

Martial arts studies are remarkable in their duality, but you see it everywhere in the west, though it doesn't have the philosophy behind it.

A policeman for instance, might practice all the "ju" stuff of his craft. Reality based gun fire drills and skills necessary to resolve bad situations and survice attacks from drugged out arrestees. However, that person may adopt a demeanor and social reponsibility to protect the puplic and may do volunteer work and generally show an appropriate sense of decorum in public. This is their job to stand out in the hopes of negating a law breaking event before it happens, simply by their presencen. This persons might also delve into cometition shooting that has only a cursory connection to reality weapons training.

And you look at this Martial person and wonder why he goes through all this eduacation and training. Well it is to be prepared and note the fact that he doesn't want the crap to hit the fan. But if it does, he does have his training to fall back on.

So stop the violence, if at all possible, before it starts. And if you can't do that, deal with it when it does.

Maybe not a lot of philosophy, but it is there if you look.

Warmest regards,

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#153733 - 06/08/05 02:39 PM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: butterfly]
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So it is safe to assume I would be correct in saying "Karate Budo. The empty hand way to stop conflict."
??
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#153734 - 06/08/05 02:50 PM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: Sanchin]
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Yes. I think that would do quite nicely.

Keep in mind that with kanji different symbols can mean the same thing. Funakoshis is just one example.

Try this: If you don't know English only Kanji, but you know the word "two" (as in the number 2). People around you are always using the word "too" or "to". They all sound the same two (sp) you.

Bunch of different symbols. Spelled, pretty closely, the same. Sound the same. Confusing? yeah.

Lots of times these things are lost in translation. Your interpretation works for you, and translates pretty well.

As for what kanji to use for it... I have no clue!

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#153735 - 06/08/05 03:06 PM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: BuDoc]
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someone say they needed info?
kanji coming up... you can figure it out from these:
http://www.shotokai.com/imagenes/kanji/

p.s. BuDoc = 'Stop Doctor'? lol or maybe 'Stop! Doc'

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#153736 - 06/08/05 03:12 PM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: Kintama]
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Exactly. Either way I get the idea. I just pretend not to understand while I'm inserting the Foley catheter

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#153737 - 06/08/05 03:15 PM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: BuDoc]
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Quote by BuDoc -

Quote:

I just pretend not to understand while I'm inserting the Foley catheter




OMG

*faints*
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#153738 - 06/08/05 03:34 PM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: BuDoc]
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That's actually not funny, Doc. I've had a gallstone before, and now that I think of it, I was calling your name... "BuuuuuuUUUGGGHHH" {eyes watering from memory of sumo-size African-American woman inserting catheter..."Hold still, baby."} nope not funny a'tall.

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#153739 - 06/09/05 05:13 AM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: Sanchin]
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Sanchin,
Is this what you are going to name your art?

Karate Budo. The empty hand way to stop conflict.
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#153740 - 06/09/05 09:24 AM Re: Bu (as in Budo ) [Re: SANCHIN31]
Sanchin Offline
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Quote:

Sanchin,
Is this what you are going to name your art?

Karate Budo. The empty hand way to stop conflict.




Pretty much, the term describes what I train/teach/study better than anything else.
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