Although I think I understand what you are saying, I am not sure I understand the term 'cover' art. Does it mean a crude or rudimentary style like TKD?
-When I speak of 'cover arts', you are exactly right. Things like basic sil lum Ch'uan Fa and Ch'uan Li are examples of such arts. Not to make them appear lesser, just that they are utilized to orient students to the Gung Fu method.-TY
So then these 'phases' would be similar to different 'trainings'. Are you saying vital points as in 'eyes, throat, solar-plexus, groin' or as in tsubo?
-Well this depends on the particular animal style specialty, but like Tsubo training with implements, we are taught to use other senses to exploit vital areas. I am a eagle stylist and to that end I am taught to fight blindfolded. Simply put if you touch me and dont 'drop' me, as long as we are in contact you 365 vital points are mine. Unless of course you break contact or retreat....I am not omnipotent
-TY
I don't doubt that some engage in full contact fighting sessions. Hell I came up during the days of 'Texas Blood and Guts Karate' myself. What I find problematic is the need to make things sound more omnious and profound than they actually are. Maybe somebody just got a little carried away with themselves on the website.I must admit that I am having a bit of a time finding any information on chi tao (I realize I am being lazy and just googeling at this point) or its lineage.
-The matter of the Blood matches is just something part of our heritage. But i will tell you no one is forced to attend or be involved. One can walk away an asst. instructor and have a great Gung Fu foundation WITHOUT having to attend. The part of not being able to find info on Chi Tao, is due to it having at least 4+ expounded names. This is due to its familial nature of teaching from its post communist revolution history. The art I have learned has been known as Wu Ch'uan Chi Tao since the mid 60's here in the US and is the core art of the Green Dragon Society since then as well, but again note their art respected variants of the Core as well. This is purely INTERNAL in nature becuase here Chicago many have known the style for years. Again check this forum and read the info from Manchu the moderator. Clearly there are 'others' that may misrepresent the green dragon as well.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthre...+dragon+society -TY
You say it is based on the three pillars of Xingyi, Bagua and Taiji. What does that mean exactly? Just because something is circular does not make it anything like baguazhang nor something being linear make it like xingyiquan.These systems have specific methods for developing and expressing power.
-Well I agree, just becuase Kenpo has circular movement doesnt make it gung fu. But I am saying that the core aspects of the Art are readily identifiable as parts of these arts...not just what could be...but movements developed as the parent arts do. This bring me to another Chi Tao tradition of Adept learning complete foundations of Hsing I, Ba gua, and tai Chi. In my years, I have been taught the Honan muslim style of Hsing I, Zhang family Chi Gung, Omei spiritual sword, Ba Gua and both Chen/Yang tai chi. Does this make me greater than others? No. Does it make me better prepared than some? Well perhaps...since with this and my TCM I am taught to take a man apart and nearly put him back together. It is said in the Society that the Ba Gua adept follows their opponent while the Chi Tao Adept is followed by the opponent. Semantics? Perhaps. But i have fought in the max prisons and in alleys/clubs...usually with few scratches. Plus, my San Bao is getter stronger as I live...-TY
BTW where does Gao, Feng teach baguazhang and who did he study with? I am quite familiar with Li Zi Ming and several in his lineage.
-Gao Shifu teaches in Beijing and has travelled here to Chicago twice under special permission secured by us. He a proponent of Li Shifu's art and Liang Ba gua as well, favoring Li Ming. I will not go as far to even question his lineage stating here that he is well respected in his homeland. -TY
I greatly appreciate this open dialogue. Remember all training and accomplishment is an illusion as I have been told by my Chi Gung/Omei teacher...Zhang, Pui Yang.
XieXie Ni and Zai Jian
-TY
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