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#150637 - 05/30/05 10:46 PM Day two [Re: Cord]
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You can't make a date with enlightenment.

-Shunryu Suzuki

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#150638 - 05/30/05 11:17 PM Re: Day two [Re: harlan]
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"It cannot come to pass that the fruit of a deed well-done by the body, speech, and thought should have for a result that which is unpleasant, hateful or distasteful. But that it should be otherwise is quite possible." from the pali text The Anguttara (credit to The Wanderling)

Right Understanding
Right Thoughts
Right Speech
Right Action
Right Livelihood
Right Effort
Right Mindfulness
Right Concentration

tho you may not dictate the timeline, with these you may walk the path.

^gassho^
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#150639 - 05/31/05 07:17 AM Re: Day two [Re: harlan]
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It is a perception/experience you can't nail down, not in time or place, because it is groundless and has no tangible point. You can take the slow road, the eightfold path, and still not 'get there' in the end. (Of course, you will be a better person...just no guarantees.)

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#150640 - 06/01/05 12:01 AM Day 3 [Re: harlan]
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Thank you for the help, harlan


If your compassion does not include yourself, it is incomplete.

-Jack Kornfield

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#150641 - 06/01/05 12:31 AM Re: Day 3 [Re: JoelM]
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Holding yourself to a higher standard than anyone else is a lofty ideal, but isn't worth killing yourself for.

On the flip side of that, having too much compassion for yourself just makes you a drain on societies resources and a waste of perfectly good oxygen (and often a waste of perfectly good alcohol).

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#150642 - 06/01/05 06:45 AM Re: Day 3 [Re: JoelM]
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awareness of your own suffering is essential to helping others with theirs.

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#150643 - 06/01/05 07:09 AM Re: Day 3 [Re: Kintama]
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To me, compassion is a form of love. Like the old saying, you have to learn to love yourself before you can truly love another.

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#150644 - 06/01/05 10:29 AM Re: Day 3 [Re: harlan]
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Ugh, harlan has spoken well, although it sounds like (and is) a kliche' it is very literally true!

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#150645 - 06/01/05 10:33 AM Re: Day 3 [Re: nenipp]
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Probably the hardest challenge for all the MA types...learning to be soft.

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#150646 - 06/01/05 11:12 AM Re: Day 3 [Re: harlan]
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This is something we all might benifit from...softening. sitting behind these keyboards we create broad and powerfull strokes, if it can make us so strong because we feel untouchable, could we not also allow ourselves to be more vunerable? how would we speak to eachother if we were sitting face to face? yes, the link below is me.

^gassho^ [image]http://newbuddhist.com/forum/image.php?u=186&dateline=1117600948[image]

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