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#149888 - 05/27/05 02:31 AM Wushu and Northern Shaolin and Long Fist
18lohans Offline

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 321
Anyone knows the difference between all the above? So far I gather that some of them are branches of the others... but I'm not sure how

#149889 - 05/27/05 05:50 AM Re: Wushu and Northern Shaolin and Long Fist [Re: 18lohans]
Bushi_no_ki Offline

Registered: 05/03/05
Posts: 1669
Loc: POM, Monterey CA
lohans, I couldn't even begin to tell you the difference. According to the article on the home page, apparently Long Fist is a Communist name for Northern style empty handed techniques, but that's the best I can give.

#149890 - 05/27/05 09:54 AM Re: Wushu and Northern Shaolin and Long Fist [Re: Bushi_no_ki]
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Wushu originally meant War Arts. It was used in different time periods as a reference for what we think of as Kung Fu. Since the 1950's the Chinese have taken the name and used it for their contemporary competitive arts, combining traditional technique and gymnastics. It also contains sparring divisions.

Northern Shaolin, references the Northern Shaolin Temple as being a source for many northern Chinese traditions. Apparently the 'temple' tuaght hundreds of forms, nobody learned but a fraction of what they studied. Northern Shaolin technique has low stances and often uses long range technique.

Long Fist is a generic style and a general reference for a Northern system. It seems to be interlinked to Northern Shaolin. It is also a modern WuShu group of instruction.

All these terms may be used in different ways, from generic descriptions to specific style names.
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#149891 - 05/27/05 06:03 PM Re: Wushu and Northern Shaolin and Long Fist [Re: 18lohans]
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Registered: 12/18/04
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In contrast to the souther styles, northern (and long) fists are usually also a bit more flashy. Not in a bad way, there are many theories as to why, such as the weather (warm), the height of northeners, the open space etc. But usually Northern forms have more kicks (more high kicks), and move in much larger spaces, maybe thats why you get the impression of Wushu.
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#149892 - 06/04/05 03:50 PM Re: Wushu and Northern Shaolin and Long Fist [Re: 18lohans]
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Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 16
wushu is basically a general term of the many many diff styles and forms of chinese martial arts. long fist(chang quan) is one of the most representative form of northern shaolin. it is very popular among people. there's a chinese saying "south fist, north kick", indicating that southern shaolin focus more on fist style which is forceful and tough, whereas northern shaolin focus more on variety of kicks which is more swift and less forceful.

#149893 - 06/06/05 02:03 PM Re: Wushu and Northern Shaolin and Long Fist [Re: Tk.09]
18lohans Offline

Registered: 01/16/05
Posts: 321
What are forms within Northern Shaolin again? I remember LongFist, Cha Chuan, BaJi...

#149894 - 06/16/09 05:55 PM Re: Wushu and Northern Shaolin and Long Fist [Re: 18lohans]
Chin_Da01 Offline

Registered: 05/23/09
Posts: 25
Loc: Mid west
I would say the big difference between Wushu (PRC Wushu) and Beifang Chang Quan Shu (i.e. Northern Long Fist techniques ) or Shaolin Quan Shu is INTENT!

Wushu is more focused on art than prowess. But.... BUT! this depends on the school. Some Wushu schools also focus on the prowess side too. Yet Most of the PRC Wushu I've seen is a modified version of the original...stressing acrobatics artistry similar to gymnastics.

I practice a Beifang Chang Quan called Pigua Quan. All Chang Quan (long fist) have large and small movements (large and small circles) most if not all stress moving footwork. yet, not all long fist styles have a huge Tuifa (kicking methods)as believed or posses a long range strategy. They do for the most part have similar tactics and strategies in common. (very broad repertoire ... Long fist is seen as the father of all Chinese martial arts)

Some long fist styles I know of:

Chang Quan (i.e. Long Fist)
Cha Quan
Hua Quan i.e. Mountain fist
Hua Quan i.e. Flower fist
Hong Quan I.e Red fist... ala Yang Lu Chan first art
Liuhe Quan i.e six harmony fist
Pao Quan i.e cannon fist
Pigua Quan
Fanzi Quan
Nan Quan (this is the southern classification of many long fist that exists in the south)

Shaolin Fa (shaolin methods) are different than long fists... yet have many similarities (Again....probably because Long Fist is said to be the father of Chinese Quan fa, being older than Shaolin) Like long fist, they tend to have similar technics and strategies dependent on there origins (i.e. being from Northern temple or Southern temple(s)

Edited by Chin_Da01 (06/16/09 06:00 PM)


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