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#149476 - 05/26/05 03:03 PM ninja book
woud Offline

Registered: 05/26/05
Posts: 1
anybody know anything about this ninjutsu book?

#149477 - 06/02/05 08:26 AM Re: ninja book [Re: woud]
Wilf Offline

Registered: 02/26/05
Posts: 48
Loc: Germany
Hello woud,

I just had a look onto the linked Page and to me it seems totally made up.

For example there are listed Tonfa and Sai as weapons of the Kunigun Ninja.
Such weapons are more common in the Kobudo of the Ryukyu islands, not in Ninjutsu.

Stances are partly looking as if taken from Karate or so and in the "events-area"
there`s a karate tournament.
This doesn`t have necessarily to say something about the background of course.

Nevertheless in the "Kunigun`s History-area", there are quotations and knowledge
from books of other authors about Ninjutsu in general,
but I just couldn`t find anything about the Kunigun itself there.
Well, maybe I just didn`t find it though it`s there?

There a video (see following Link) with a "technique of the week" and there are things
we should think about:
1. It`s not that spectacular if you take extremely dry wood
(as often done for that it breaks very easy)
2.Everytime before he strikes, the man with the staff looks closely at its end
- maybe it`s marked for certain reason (what reasons could these be?)

Link: Large-Fire-Kata (breaking wood on body)

From Hinin to Samurai?Even the ranks are strange.

Hinin or Eta is a class that is until today seen as inferior to "normal" persons
as they are doing the work of butchers and other things that are "not clean"
as the japanese people think.

I think it was in the seventies that a law was made which allowed persons
from such families to let delete from documents there they are coming from.
That was as for example a couple could be divorced after years just by finding out
that husband or wife was a descendant of such a Hinin/Eta family.

Bushi means just warrior, while Samurai is a relativly clear distuingable member
of the warrior class with certain attributes.

Therefore with the ranks you are growing from a nonhuman person to become
a warrior and then to become a "serving" warrior.
The grade of Kunoichi (=female Ninja) is then after you are already a Samurai
again a step back to the Hinin - as the Ninja were Hinin, no matter how rich,
acknowledged for their ability,... some might have been.

Being a member of the Bujinkan, my advice is to take care that the books you read
are at least from members of the Bujinkan (or the Grandmaster himself, of course),
the Genbukan, the Jinenkan or from Stephen K. Hayes` Toshindo.

Greetings from Berlin, Germany, Europe


#149478 - 06/03/05 04:44 AM Re: ninja book [Re: woud]
laf7773 Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 4065
Loc: Limbo
There was a long running thread about these frauds on e-budo. This is not ninjutsu, don't be taken in.
Enjoy life while you can, you never know when things will change.

#149479 - 07/30/05 06:36 PM Re: ninja book [Re: woud]
Boomer Offline

Registered: 11/26/04
Posts: 304
Loc: York, Pa
I'm gonna have to agree with the previous 2 replies. Especially the okinawan kobudo piont. Ninja developed their own weaponry, not saying that some of it didn't cross over, like the kama (scythe).
Calling yourself "Master" implies that you have slaves.

#149480 - 11/09/05 08:43 PM Re: ninja book [Re: woud]
dogfacedboyuk1 Offline

Registered: 10/19/05
Posts: 116
Make sure you avoid any of "Ashida Kim's" books as well - they are all laughable works of fraudulant fiction from the mind of some delusional martial artist wannabe. It is however well worth visiting his book companies website for a laugh - check out some of these sh1tty efforts -

Any one of them will make you crap your pants with laughter. Have fun.

#149481 - 11/10/05 07:23 PM Re: ninja book [Re: dogfacedboyuk1]
dogfacedboyuk1 Offline

Registered: 10/19/05
Posts: 116
Whoohoo - I've just been banned from Ashida Kims forums for telling him all of the above. The truth really does hurt I guess.

#149482 - 11/10/05 11:08 PM Re: ninja book [Re: dogfacedboyuk1]
JoelM Offline
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Registered: 07/26/04
Posts: 6355
Loc: Georgia, USA
Sorry, are we suppose to be impressed?
We should all take ourselves seriously...and then crumple that image up and toss it out the window.

#149483 - 11/11/05 10:48 AM Re: ninja book [Re: dogfacedboyuk1]
Ed_Morris Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 6772
I was once put on 'double secret probation' on the bullshido forum.

#149484 - 11/11/05 04:54 PM Re: ninja book [Re: JoelM]
dogfacedboyuk1 Offline

Registered: 10/19/05
Posts: 116
Nope you're not, just thought I'd mention it. It's just a shame you can't post a negative opinion on Ashida Kim's forum without being banned that's all. I just thought it was annoying as I was in the middle of a conversation with some one on a touchy subject and the next time I went there a "you are banned" page popped up.

#149485 - 11/11/05 04:56 PM Re: ninja book [Re: Ed_Morris]
dogfacedboyuk1 Offline

Registered: 10/19/05
Posts: 116
What's all that about then?

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