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#149068 - 05/27/05 09:49 AM Re: New student asking for help. [Re: EternalStudent]
Kempoman Offline

Registered: 11/15/00
Posts: 1484
Loc: Houston, TX

I am not doing anything harsh to myself like breaking and resetting my knuckels,

Man I should hope not. This is not involved in Iron Palm or Iron Fist Training.


just thrusting my hands in rice about 100 times a night. If any of you finds this harmful I would gladly stop.

Sounds like a basic external hand conditioning method. Still I would recommend that you get some dit da jow to rub on the hands before and after the training.


Kempoman, I live in just south of Nashville, Tennessee (USA).

Great, I'll check with the people that I know in the area and post something here.

Yeah, if you want to get dry-humped and dookie-licked.

#149069 - 05/27/05 06:19 PM Re: New student asking for help. [Re: Kempoman]
BaguaMonk Offline

Registered: 12/18/04
Posts: 404
Careful with Iron fist, Iron palm.

WKK's methods are OK, but if you truly want an "Iron fist" It takes alot more than that, and is hardly necessar nowdays (do we need to kill or punch through walls).

Practice basic stances. You should be able to find them in many gong fu books. The "cat" stance as many call them (or empty, Xu Bu), the horse stance (ma bu), gong bu (or bow-arrow stance), Pu Bu (lower stance), and Xie Bu (crossed stance). Also try the crane leg stance (leg up, 45 degree up), and hanging leg stance in there for balance and flow purposes. Sit in them at first for a while, and keep back straight abdominal breathing. Then practice moving from one to the other. The stance should stay LEVEL (no bouncing up and down), unless you are jumping from one to a single leg stance (even then its better training to stay level). Don't be stiff, rigid, and slow, flow from one to the other until you can flawlessly transition from on into the other without too much effort, and deliberation.

Wubu quan is a great wushu form with all the basics. I would recommend that, you can find it in alot of the basic wushu vids. Make sure to use full twisting waist power in every punch, make sure to never stiff, relaxed, but never too bent.
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#149070 - 05/28/05 01:52 AM Re: New student asking for help. [Re: EternalStudent]
ButterflyPalm Offline

Registered: 08/26/04
Posts: 2637
Loc: Malaysia

Take a look at the Martial Arts Talk thread and a topic "Advanced punching" started by mike88nbd.

The general rule on training is NOT to damage any of the nerves, in the hands especially. Hence the use of chi gung and medicinal ointment ("dit da jow" --- cantonese pronunciation) It is an ancient warning that damaging the nerves in the hands will affect your eyes in a negative way. Thrusting your fists / fingers into rice / beans / iron beads etc with no proper guidance is extremely dangerous, because what you see in books, videos is just the act, but maybe not the precaution these people take to protect their hands.

There were guite a few good basic methods posted by members before the recent overhaul of the system, after which some of these were "deleted" during the process. A pity.

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