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#147578 - 06/11/05 03:15 PM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: tookien1]
MikeMartial Offline
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Ok, I need to dispell some misinformation here.

Quote:

The differance between coffee and tea is not that they have more or less caffeine in it but the fact that coffee is much thicker.




Thickness has nothing to do with it. Tea is steeps from leaves. Coffee is steeped from ground roasted beans. Coffee happens to have a LOT more caffiene than tea, and this is fact.

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Coffee is a stimulant, yes, because it is a narcotic containing caffeine which affects the brain responsiveness.




Coffee is NOT , I repeat NOT a narcotic. Morphine is a narcotic. Codiene is a narcotic. HEROIN is a narcotic. Caffiene is, as you stated, a central nervous system stimulant, containing both beta and alpha adrenergic properties. I know what I'm talking about. You do not. This is also fact

And, as you stated, and has been stated in the above posts, drinking an extreme amount will have side effects. 1 to 2 cups a day can be beneficial.

I encourage everyone to post, but what grinds me is people that post incorrect information. It's misleading and potentially dangerous.
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#147579 - 06/12/05 10:39 PM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: MikeMartial]
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"Thickness has nothing to do with it. Tea is steeps from leaves. Coffee is steeped from ground roasted beans. Coffee happens to have a LOT more caffiene than tea, and this is fact."

Thickness does have something to do with it, that is why people feel dehydrated after drinking it, sweating and other weezy feeling symptoms depending on other factors such as having diabetes.

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"Coffee is NOT , I repeat NOT a narcotic. Morphine is a narcotic. Codiene is a narcotic. HEROIN is a narcotic. Caffiene is, as you stated, a central nervous system stimulant, containing both beta and alpha adrenergic properties. I know what I'm talking about. You do not. This is also fact"

What I really meant is that it is "like" a narcotic because it can be addictive and it is addictive which most narcotics and chemicals found in certain foods are.

One last thing, it is a proven fact that tea can variably have much more caffiene than coffee depending on how the coffee is served and how its measured, for example, dry tea can have significantly more caffeine then your average cup of coffee, which also depends on how long the tea leaves have fermented. But when your talking on average per serving on ounce, you do have coffee on top. Here is one observed fact that stupifies your comments.

Coffee: 5 oz cup----Per Ounce= 16 can have 40-170 mg
Tea: One Tea bag-Per Ounce= 05 can have 25-110 mg

Put two tea bags in and you have twice the amount of caffeine than black coffee.

I can understand why you say otherwise, the heat can get to you and delude your mind.

tookien1

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#147580 - 06/13/05 01:18 AM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: tookien1]
MikeMartial Offline
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Thickness does have something to do with it, that is why people feel dehydrated after drinking it, sweating and other weezy feeling symptoms depending on other factors such as having diabetes.




Dehydration : Due to the fact caffiene is a diuretic

Sweating : Due to the fact caffiene is a stimulant

Wheezy? Not going to happen....caffiene has beta-2 agonist properties. You look it up.

Diabetes : While I'm not a diabetic, I see many patients that are. Coffee(or tea for that matter) are not contraindicated in their diets.

I regularly share a strong pot or two of fresh ground coffee with a friend who has had insulin-depndant diabetes since she was 9.

So. That kills the "thickness" theory.

As for caffiene content in tea vs. coffee, yes, I do suppose brewing methods can make a huge difference. I've brewed tea leaves long enough to have a single cup nearly blow your head clean off

Coffee still takes the cake, but we'll let sleeping dogs lie on that one.

Tookien, you seem like a well-spoken individual, and we don't have enough posters like that on this board. I'd rather not butt heads over details. Lets just keep the facts in the answers, shall we?
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#147581 - 06/13/05 09:10 AM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: alskef]
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It depends on the type of coffee you are drinking.
Nescafe, is good if you want to start jumping around like a jack-in-the-box.
The purpose of cafeine when working out (appart from energy) is to change the fat/energy burning ratio towards more fat burn.
Nescafe is bad quality coffee , it has any number of other chemicals in it, thats why if you put a litle water and shake it froths up. Do you think that normal ground beans froth when you shake them??
Get a good coffee machine, get a good cup of coffee, dont drink to much and you will be fine.

I love coffee, Its the life juice

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#147582 - 06/13/05 01:29 PM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: MAGr]
MikeMartial Offline
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Quote:

The purpose of cafeine when working out (appart from energy) is to change the fat/energy burning ratio towards more fat burn.
Nescafe is bad quality coffee , it has any number of other chemicals in it, thats why if you put a litle water and shake it froths up. Do you think that normal ground beans froth when you shake them??
Get a good coffee machine, get a good cup of coffee, dont drink to much and you will be fine.

I love coffee, Its the life juice




Ah yes, I forgot to mention the positive thermogenic properties of caffiene. Being a slim mo' fo' already, it doesn't exactly come to mind when I brew a pot.

Good point on the quality of coffee, too. We unfourtunately drink the low-quality type of coffee at the firehalls. I bring my own beans to grind There'll be no crappy coffee at MY fire station!

Lately I've been buying organic coffee---can't say I notice a difference between that and the locally roasted beans I normally buy.

Is it just me, or is this thread turning into a "I love coffee!" thread?
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#147583 - 06/13/05 10:08 PM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: MikeMartial]
tookien1 Offline
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Registered: 02/13/05
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Loc: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
MikeMartial

Yah, I think your right about that thickness issue with the coffee, I always thought of it that way and it was something I read in a health article a while back but perhaps I misunderstood and conflicted resoning. Sorry for being a little harsh with my last post, I don't want to argue or make enemies on any forums, just ignore my overreactivity (if there is such a word) I may make, thanks.

tookien1

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#147584 - 09/11/05 04:52 PM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: alskef]
ikklehen Offline
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Registered: 07/23/05
Posts: 115
Loc: U.K.
Caffene makes me shaky and anxious and feel sick. I had a caffene pop once and I didn't sleep for three days. LOL. I stick to caffene free everything! It dehydrates the body too. Not goooood!
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#147585 - 09/12/05 04:27 AM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: ikklehen]
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Loc: Poland
I got a little bit worried a while ago that I could drink over 15 cups a day and it didn't seem to affect me (I was slimmer, I recall). These days I hardly drink it.

Martial point, apparently the first instant coffee was supplied in a cake-form to soldiers in the American civil war. It aided their concentration and aggression.
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#147586 - 07/23/08 04:19 AM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: MikeMartial]
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What a nice question?.... i think that thickness issue with the coffee...Coffee still takes the cake, but we'll let sleeping dogs lie on that one, but Nescafe is bad quality coffee. thank you..
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#147587 - 07/23/08 01:44 PM Re: Does Tea cause weakness like coffee? [Re: tookien1]
JAMJTX Offline
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Registered: 12/01/02
Posts: 585
Loc: Fort Wayne, IN
"The caffiene in both acts as a stimulant; if used in the proper amount and timed right, it is highly beneficial to training."

Caffeine dehydrates you. This is not something that you want to do in any amount prior to training. Drink water or gatorade. Caffeine also raises the heart rate and can affect blood pressure. Also not things that you want to do prior to your work out.
Sure, you want a workout that raises your heart rate. But pumping it up unnaturally is not a good idea.
In moderate amounts tea and coffee will not be harmful to a healthy person. But misuse of a stimulant, even a legal one, will cause health problems.

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