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#147177 - 06/03/05 12:13 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: hedkikr]
Subedei Offline
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What's wrong with foil? Oh..I don't know...It's completely incapable of causing injury? It's physical properties distort the physical reality of real swordfighting?

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#147178 - 06/03/05 02:41 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: Subedei]
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I'd have to "second" that.

I fence saber and the "old school" moulinets, a cut needed for effective use of a real saber in real combat, have pretty much disappered.
They are not needed for Olympic style competition.

The fingers and to a lesser extent the wrist do much of the work now.
And they allow bladework that would be nearly impossible with anything other than a "competition blade."


Edited by cxt (06/03/05 02:42 PM)
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#147179 - 06/03/05 06:21 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: Subedei]
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It's easily understood that fencing is not real because of the ball points and the flexibility of steel, why would you want to learn to "really" sword fight? It's of no real use to you anyway. Would you carry a sword around? This brings up a good point about why people do Fencing or Kendo. I do it for fun because it's of no practical use in a real fighting situation, there are those that do it for the philosophy. Even if it Kendo was more "real" how real is it to hit each other with wooden weapons?? As for injury i've heard cases where a fencer accidently lunged to hard and aimed at the headgear and the point went through and killed his opponent by going through the eye. That seems pretty real doesn't it? Same with Kendo there have been stories of people practicing "real swordfighting" without their gear on and manage to kill each other with a solid hit from a bokken. psh........ Fencing and Kendo are equally as real as each other.
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#147180 - 06/03/05 09:42 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: Strider_Hanzo]
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Foil Fencing and Kendo are still not equal to each other in terms of reality. Arm equally skilled practicioners of Kendo and Foil Fencing with weapons sharp weapons reflecting their arts and set em against each other in a "real" fight. The thin foil weapon isn't going to save the fencing guy.

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#147181 - 06/04/05 05:32 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: DefenselessChild]
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The proper way to match them up would be saber fencing against Kendo, one using the rapier and the other using the katana but that doesn't matter.... this discussion shouldn't turn into a who would win in a fight against each other. Besides how would you know? have you taken Kendo and Fencing? For how long each? How did you come to that conclusion?
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#147182 - 06/04/05 06:45 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: Strider_Hanzo]
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You're right.

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#147183 - 06/04/05 08:03 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: DefenselessChild]
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blegh... to lighten the mood i guess i have a question. Compared to fencing which requires sharp reflexes and quick thinking, how much of it can be transferred over to Kendo? Does Kendo follow a philosophy that Fencing doesn't have, in regards to mentality of striking and defending, positioning? I'm taking Aikido and i guess we'll eventually get into swords but in the future i plan to practice some form of Kendo so... any info?

P.S.: YAY!!!! 100TH POST woo! time ot celebrate!


Edited by Strider_Hanzo (06/04/05 08:04 PM)
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#147184 - 06/09/05 09:58 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: Strider_Hanzo]
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My 2nd post (reposte, get it?) -sp.?

Does anybody know what they're talking about???? First of all, a sabre & rapier are 2 different weapons:

The sabre is a curved, single bladed weapon usually associated w/ the cavalry because of the slicing action utilized in fighting (could you imagine trying to thrust on horse-back?).

A rapier is a strait, double-edged weapon w/ a sharp point used for cutting & thrusting.

The Sabre is usually shorter & heavier than the Rapier.

So the most likely weapon in this fantasy duel would be Katana vs. Sabre. (my vote still goes w/ katana)

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#147185 - 06/13/05 08:39 PM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: Strider_Hanzo]
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been doing Fencing since I was 7, and turning 18 soon, so almost 11 years.. anyways, not the point. We're looking at fencing vs. Kendo- I have a very close friend who's been doing Kendo as long as I've been fencing, and we both agree that there's no practical use for either sport. I've done all three fencing styles- foil epee and saber, and it really depends on what you're trying to do with your sword- when it comes to reality, epee is the best because the soul aim of it is to hit first, rather than parry and attack which you find in the others. However, sabre is slicing and more "brutish" in certain ways. For the most speed go for epee, for the most technique go for foil, and for the most annoying (competitively speaking) and most fun (practice speaking) go for saber... it's VERY good to do all 3

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#147186 - 06/14/05 10:17 AM Re: Fencing and Kendo [Re: Warwolph]
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I'm going to disagree. Epee fencing can take the longest and the shortest. Haven't you seen some bouts where all they do is just stand facing each other for like 10 minutes straight? Well yeah afterwards they move and score quickly but i tend to like Saber more due to the fact that it's hard to tell where the strike is coming from if you're up against a good opponent. Which makes it a higher priority to always be on the move. I think this type of fencing(saber) is something that can be transferred over to martial arts in regards to always being on the move and being able to read your opponents moves, and strike when least expected.
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