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#146732 - 06/24/07 07:13 PM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: JKogas]
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Thats your concept of styles. Styles do exist and their cirriculum make the requirements take longer to learn. Just because one may teach a versitle system that covers more study material that would take longer to learn.

Just the simple fact that Hung-Gar teaches more forms and more weapons would make it take longer to learn, because of the limitation of the man.

Wing-Chun on the other hand teaches less forms and less weapons and concept is different would make it a shorter road to fighting but less versitle.

You can't put everybodies else method of training in your own prespective of no sytle, no methods and prime functonailty. Some teach styles that are more then just fighting they teach a peacful way of life. That does take longer.
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#146733 - 06/24/07 07:40 PM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: Neko456]
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Neko456 --

That's why I added: the question is; are we training functionally or not? If not, it could well take forever to learn to effectively fight. If so, we can develop legitimate games within relatively short periods of time.



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#146734 - 06/25/07 02:47 AM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: JKogas]
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Quote:

find it amusing that some styles take longer to learn than other styles. I also find it amusing that we're even having this discussion.

It's another "style vs. style" debate when ultimately, there ARE no styles to begin with.

Regardless of style, the question is; are we training functionally or not? If not, it could well take forever to learn to effectively fight. If so, we can develop legitimate games within relatively short periods of time.

Why should one style take longer to learn when we all move the same way?





Some styles have techniques which take longer to learn, but once learned work very well.
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#146735 - 06/27/07 12:41 PM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: JKogas]
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Neko456 --

That's why I added: the question is; are we training functionally or not? If not, it could well take forever to learn to effectively fight. If so, we can develop legitimate games within relatively short periods of time.

-John




Functionality has wide meaning, I think any art or (your bad word) STYLE can be condense into just a fighting techniques. And can be taught in a much shorter time but somethings start with a basic concepts that are enhanced through futher sharpening of those tools. And that takes more time and training.

For Instance

Internal arts takes longer to learn then External arts, its thought. Which is more functional? Internal arts provide a better method of life and fitness after fighting. Both offer fitness but some offer Internal peace of mind.

Not that it is not extremly important but is fighting all that makes an art functional?


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#146736 - 04/27/09 08:40 PM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: Neko456]
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I was looking up Hung Gar and it looks really good. I love that they focus on root. Lower horse stance is a bitch to get under your belt but holy ravioli does it work your root. I do see similarities in WC and HG. Some of the hand positions are the same, large emphasis on root training and both take a lot of training to get used. This guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glt92cdrIoU&NR=1 looks like a badass mother to train with.

I still prefer (Fut Sao) Wing Chun, though. It just makes more sense to me. The energy conservation, the squared-off stance and theory behind the art make it the most logical and beautiful to me.
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#146737 - 04/28/09 12:47 PM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: SifuHax]
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Fut Sao Wing Chun differs ever so slightly (it flows more) then Ip man's WC as WC differs even more so to Hungar. I know exponents from both systems that are very good fighters. I also know supposed fighters from these systems that are not so good. In the end its not the style its how much time you put in training live & realistic, remember the art has stayed mostly the same for 100s of years you have to make it fit in your world.

So FS WC may fit for you but the OP HG maybe your fit.

But if meer self defense skills are you main concern a Boxing and Wrestling repetorier may bring the fastest results, simple & functional.

UNLESS weapon defense and counters is of some concern and or some knowledge of what westerns call dirty/real fighting. Then HG or WC your boy.


Edited by Neko456 (04/28/09 12:50 PM)
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#146738 - 04/29/09 07:58 PM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: Neko456]
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Fut Sao Wing Chun differs ever so profoundly from Ip Man Wing Chun. IMWC doesn't focus as strictly as FSWC on internal power. FSWC has very different philosophies on stances, power generation, combat theory and the forms. IMWC doesn't have a Siu Bot Gua form. The second and third forms are very different from Ip Man WC. Fut Sao WC is a science of an art. Where as Ip Man WC is the pop music of Wing Chun.

http://futsaowingchun.info/history.html
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#146739 - 04/30/09 12:09 AM Re: Wing Chun vs. Hung gar? [Re: SifuHax]
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There is no more Ip Man wing chun. That died with Ip Man. Truth is, WC is a concept-based fighting system. Forget about styles.
Ip Man's students only had as much influence as they did because it was developed and rooted in Hong Kong. MOST cultural impact comes from large cities.
But don't think for a second that any martial artist worth their salt hasn't heard of Fatsaan.

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