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#146319 - 04/11/06 05:52 PM Re: cant do nething against my friend that is 280 [Re: SpeedyGonzales]
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Also as a suggestion since it seems you are much smaller than this big guy have you tried a breakfall with the grab so that instead of just your dropping weight you can incorporate it with a torque from the swinging motion of the breakfall. The effect will be like you are swinging on his arm and unless you are less than 100 lbs that should be enough kinetic energy to offset anyones balance if they are not expecting it.

Ken




Interesting idea...I never heard of this, is this an official technique or just an idea for application, and did you think of this or is it taught at your dojo?

I an just a beginner so I have no idea if this is taught in our dojo




My first Ninjitsu Dojo this concept was taught. I have seen it elluded to as well in books by Steven K Hayes. Sorry when I posted I got into a rhythme and forgot this was the Akido forum! I started posting knowing that the basic lock principles where inherently similar and forgot towards the end of my post. The concept is sound although even in Ninjitsu I don't see it widely taught. The application is very specific to smaller agile students. In other words at 6'5" 220 it got used on me for demonstration. I will say when done right it can be effective but if telgraphed or "seen" coming in any way the counters can be devestating.

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#146320 - 04/11/06 08:09 PM Re: cant do nething against my friend that is 280 [Re: TheKen]
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If you're talking about a sutemi (sacrifice) technique, it would be highly inadvisable....

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#146321 - 04/12/06 02:46 AM Re: cant do nething against my friend that is 280 [Re: eyrie]
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I've also been advised by many of my sensei that the sacrifice throw is not advisable, it leaves you open, lay flat on your back, not somewhere you'd want to be particularly if there's more than one attacker. We just practice it to develop our kokyuho technique.
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#146322 - 04/12/06 10:43 AM Re: cant do nething against my friend that is 280 [Re: Chanters]
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Hello. I practice Hapkido, not Aikido... but I had an observation or two.

I have a good friend in Hapkido who is plenty big, not quite 280, though. I am only 150, but sometimes, I can still take him down. As big as he is, it is hard for him to maintain his center of gravity. He has to shift his hips differently when he crouches or bends over. It's kind of hard to explain, but when it happens, it is very easy for me to take him down, usually with an arm drag. I have also used a sweep from the floor(guard) very effectively when he stands and starts to try to lift me up.

I hope these make sense, it is hard to describe with text alone.

I also agree that sacrifice takedowns are a bad idea. Mostly because I can't always control where he falls, and it is bad if he falls on me. If he sees it coming and goes with it, then he can make sure he does land on me. Not fun.

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#146323 - 04/14/06 02:25 AM Re: cant do nething against my friend that is 280 [Re: Xaith]
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Someone earlier stated that if you are "going for his wrist" you aren't doing aikido.

Aikido techniques can in fact be used offensively, I think they are rarely taught that way but I have a video of Kisomaru Ueshiba, Tohei, and Abe, I guess a bunch of the old schoolers doing just that.

FWIW

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#146324 - 04/14/06 11:13 AM Re: cant do nething against my friend that is 280 [Re: Joe Jutsu]
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Someone earlier stated that if you are "going for his wrist" you aren't doing aikido.

Aikido techniques can in fact be used offensively, I think they are rarely taught that way but I have a video of Kisomaru Ueshiba, Tohei, and Abe, I guess a bunch of the old schoolers doing just that.

FWIW




Any chance of putting that up on the internet so we can see it?
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