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#144990 - 05/24/05 05:12 PM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: BaguaMonk]
Kempoman Offline
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Well your mistaken, if you say that chi balls (Not the DBZ STUFF) and ki waves doesn't exist well it shows how much you know, Seriously if you think theres no such thing as ki balls there's no such thing as chi then. That goes against all internal martial artists who ever practist...........




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if you cant make visible and i do mean visible chi balls or waves that can impact on someone then i think your training is far from done (these things do exist and they have been done)








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He didn't tell me what to look for. He showed me how to do the exercise and after some time he asked me what changes or sensations i felt. When i told him what i felt he recognized them as results of the training and moved me forward. This is how it should be done. This is the only way to really know you are performing the exercises properly. This is also why you can NOT teach yourself IMA.







Kempo(a lot less frustrated since resigning as moderator)man.
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#144991 - 05/24/05 05:26 PM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: Kempoman]
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Those of you who strongly doubt chi balls should whole-heartedly try it and THEN respond about it being a "falsified/imagined" experience. I do know that alot of people do falsify/exaggerate/imagine stuff, but there are also those who don't. When i teach somebody to do an exercise i dont tell them what to feel, and 95% of time it's a real result. There are certain things that you KNOW aren't falsified, its sad that so many people are closed minded....
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#144992 - 05/25/05 01:37 AM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: Tsurugi_Oni]
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Those of you who strongly doubt chi balls should whole-heartedly try it and THEN respond about it being a "falsified/imagined" experience. I do know that alot of people do falsify/exaggerate/imagine stuff, but there are also those who don't. When i teach somebody to do an exercise i dont tell them what to feel, and 95% of time it's a real result. There are certain things that you KNOW aren't falsified, its sad that so many people are closed minded....




How do you know we haven't tried "it"? How do you know what i have tried and what i haven't? What benefit would a "chi ball" have in your training? What makes you think you know better than Reiki, Fisherman, Kempoman or myself? I can't speak for most of the others but I have been training for 23 years and have yet to see any significance in such a thing. What i have seen several times are "techniques" like this being passed off by frauds as an "integral step in your training". How about instead of calling people closed minded because they don't believe in what YOU think is real, you find out what experience they have with the subject. You will find they know more about it than you think. Reiki is a reiki master; why not ask her what she thinks of the significance of chi balls in training?
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#144993 - 05/25/05 09:28 AM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: laf7773]
Kempoman Offline
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Okay I'll bite.

Let's say that you are feeling something (I think that anyone who has ever tried this exersize has) let's say that it feels like a ball or pressure in the space between your hands the registers on your palms.

Now you are thinking "Wow, what is this feeling? Is this qi?". I think we've all been down this path and asked these questions.

The one question that we need to ask is "If it is then what do I do with it?". I mean really isn't qi better off
inside the body?

What is most likely happening is that you are learning how to direct your focus/attention/yi to your hands. This causes an increase in bloodflow to the area and the hands feel different than normal. Many descriptions and feelings have been expoused by many qigong(kiko) practicioners many times before. They run the gambit from sensations of heat, cold, heaviness, lightness, red palms, splotchy palms, white palms. This feeling after a while can even be felt in the forearms, then eventually the entire body. Perhaps it is just you learning to listen and become more aware of what is going on inside you.

Is there some actual ball of energy (whatever that means) bewteen your palms, probably not. Can there be sensations and changes in feeling from qigong work? Sure, all the time. Still, my question remains. What do you do with the ball if it is there? I think that we have shown over and over and over that you can't throw it and hit someone with it. Healing? Perhaps I have seen some very cool things done by qigong and reiki masters.

The practice of qigong is to increase the health of the indiviual and it has little martial benefit.

Martial gongs are entirely different that those that you are doing for health (and you can not learn them from a book or video, they must be learned by direct transmission only). Even the Zhuan Zhuang (Post, Standing Stake) if not done correctly will not yield any martial benefits, only health (which aint a bad thing).

What most of you out there are looking for is down another path. You are doing gongs for health whether you know it or not. These are relativly simple exersizes that can ususally be learned from a book. However, most of you who keep wanting the 'chi-balls' to be real are looking for some
mystical martial power that you think 1) your teacher has 2) you've seen on Saturday morning Kung-Fu theater or 3) seen on dragonball-z.

You are mistaken, plain and simple. The martial power that you are looking for has its basis in Internal Martial Arts like Xingyiquan, BaguaZhang and Taijiquan. Masters of these arts can do things to you that will seem like they have a mystical martial power that you are looking for, when in reality they have the following:

1) They have placed 'gong' into their body. This means that they have conditioned their muscle, tendons and sinews using their respective system's gong building methods.

2) They have learned to move in a connected/whole-body/internal fashion. Chi-balls are stupid compared to this kind of movement.

3) They practice this stuff regularly, instead of writing about it on a message board.

So you feel a little heat, pressure, tingling between your palms? So what? It means little or nothing in the
context of martial power.


Kempo(100% chi-ball free)man
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#144994 - 05/25/05 09:52 AM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: Kempoman]
JoelM Offline
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Wow...that's just...beautiful. I think that post needs to be stickied to the top of the forum.
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#144995 - 05/25/05 01:08 PM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: JoelM]
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I agree.
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#144996 - 05/25/05 09:52 PM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: Kempoman]
Reiki Offline
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Posts: 3400
Loc: MiddleEarth
great post! definitely a candidate for a sticky at the top of the forum.
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#144997 - 05/26/05 03:42 AM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: Reiki]
nenipp Offline
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Registered: 04/13/04
Posts: 1205
I agree, that's great!
Maybe this forum will get back on track.
I don't know if it has ever been completely on track, but after the change one hasn't seen much worth reading (despite some admirable efforts by Fisherman, Laf and probably some others that don't come to mind at this instance), of course I haven't contributed either so I'm in no place to complain (just observing and feeling a bit of hope for the future)

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#144998 - 05/26/05 05:50 PM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: Reiki]
Kempoman Offline
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Registered: 11/15/00
Posts: 1484
Loc: Houston, TX
Awww Sucks

I should be around a bit more these days. With some hopefully interesting tidbits gleaned from my training over the last several months.

I enjoy most of the posters here, I just get the red-(you know what) with all of the radki stuff. Maybe, I shouldn't and maybe this post was an attempt to get in touch with my softer-side.

Kempo(secure in his manhood)man
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#144999 - 06/07/05 04:00 AM Re: About Chi Balls [Re: Inuyasha]
Michael_Huynh Offline
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Registered: 06/07/05
Posts: 20
Loc: texas, United States of Americ...
If you can really perfom a chi ball then how do you perform it, hand position, energy use, or what? yall need to find out if chi balls are real cause i say they are, even though i havent been able to perfom a chi ball yet i still atempt to perform one. oh yeah 1 more question i dont train with a instructor but still do martial arts train most of the time 6/7 days for a week, getting better by the minute, does that still say i can perfom the martial arts good, how do I know which belt i would be on

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